Anyone watching the debate tonight?

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Re: Anyone watching the debate tonight?

Postby Lord Rother » 09 Oct 2020, 14:03

Although there is a lot to like about Harris, there’s also something that irritates me a little in there.

I think it’s the big disarming smile that is always close to the surface... she has a likeable manner about her but to my mind is using the smile too often and sometimes inappropriately and makes her come across a touch too condescending at times.

Still, I’m sure that’s nothing a couple of months of sorting out the shit Trump & Co leave behind won’t cure.

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Re: Anyone watching the debate tonight?

Postby Sam Stone » 09 Oct 2020, 14:36

Lord Rother wrote:Although there is a lot to like about Harris, there’s also something that irritates me a little in there.

I think it’s the big disarming smile that is always close to the surface... she has a likeable manner about her but to my mind is using the smile too often and sometimes inappropriately and makes her come across a touch too condescending at times.

Still, I’m sure that’s nothing a couple of months of sorting out the shit Trump & Co leave behind won’t cure.



Given what happened in the UK last December, I have similar concerns about Biden in that US voters
aren't voting for him, they're voting against Trump.

Hope they don't end up like the large swathes of the UK electorate who've come to realise the
best thing they can say about Bojo is that he isn't Jeremy Corbyn.


That said, the odds of Biden making it to the end of his Presidency are not great - until Reagan,
no president elected in a year ending in zero saw out his full term in office

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Re: Anyone watching the debate tonight?

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Lord Rother wrote:Although there is a lot to like about Harris, there’s also something that irritates me a little in there.

I think it’s the big disarming smile that is always close to the surface... she has a likeable manner about her but to my mind is using the smile too often and sometimes inappropriately and makes her come across a touch too condescending at times.

Still, I’m sure that’s nothing a couple of months of sorting out the shit Trump & Co leave behind won’t cure.


i do get this. during the debate as it was happening, i was sayin she oughtta tone down the smiling and all becuz it might piss people off.

but there is a very real truth behind this. inescapable. the reason i said it during the debate.

harris... and clinton four years ago in her debates with trump... neither one of em could ever get away will pullin a biden and telling trump, "oh just shut up, you clown."

why?

becuz they are women. they are held to entirely different standards than their male counterparts.

most of the women who were watching the debate? they couldn't stand pence. he was a smug, smarmy, self-righteous, put-downy, interrupting, mansplaining prick, and i'm thinkin every woman with a single clue and a jot of experience has been thru THAT before. that's not even talking about how pathetic pence was trying to deflect from his real views on abortion.

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Re: Anyone watching the debate tonight?

Postby kath » 09 Oct 2020, 15:34

Sam Stone wrote:
Lord Rother wrote:Although there is a lot to like about Harris, there’s also something that irritates me a little in there.

I think it’s the big disarming smile that is always close to the surface... she has a likeable manner about her but to my mind is using the smile too often and sometimes inappropriately and makes her come across a touch too condescending at times.

Still, I’m sure that’s nothing a couple of months of sorting out the shit Trump & Co leave behind won’t cure.



Given what happened in the UK last December, I have similar concerns about Biden in that US voters
aren't voting for him, they're voting against Trump.


i think it is very clear they are doing both. they want a decent, sane, regular human in the white house once again, and that person is biden.

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Re: Anyone watching the debate tonight?

Postby Lord Rother » 09 Oct 2020, 20:46

When will a moderator have the gumption / balls to cut someone off when they refuse to answer the question that has been put to them?

Both of them did it, but Pence particularly, again and again, ignored the question and just blathered on some totally different scripted point that he wanted to get across.

That ain’t a debate, it’s just campaigning, which is not what this is supposed to be about.

I know this is what politicians DO, ALL THE TIME, but it shouldn’t be allowed in this format. It does the public a great disservice, and the moderators should stop it in its tracks.

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Postby kath » 09 Oct 2020, 20:49

Lord Rother wrote:When will a moderator have the gumption / balls to cut someone off when they refuse to answer the question that has been put to them?

Both of them did it, but Pence particularly, again and again, ignored the question and just blathered on some totally different scripted point that he wanted to get across.

That ain’t a debate, it’s just campaigning, which is not what this is supposed to be about.

I know this is what politicians DO, ALL THE TIME, but it shouldn’t be allowed in this format. It does the public a great disservice, and the moderators should stop it in its tracks.


agreed.

i wish i could be moderator. i'd have a bullwhip in hand.

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Postby Dr. Baron » 09 Oct 2020, 20:51

I'm not sure what the alternative is. The moderator could keep asking them the same question (like UK journalists often do) and saying you didn't answer my question and keep after them, but they seem to be committed to moving the thing along and making it to the six different topics they wanted to cover or whatever.

I thought about that, though. How would that go down if the moderator just kept asking them the same question? As it stands, the questions are really just suggestions. The candidates are hell bent on getting in their lines, whether they are prompted or not.
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Re: Anyone watching the debate tonight?

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Dr. Baron wrote:I'm not sure what the alternative is. The moderator could keep asking them the same question (like UK journalists often do) and saying you didn't answer my question and keep after them, but they seem to be committed to moving the thing along and making it to the six different topics they wanted to cover or whatever.

I thought about that, though. How would that go down if the moderator just kept asking them the same question? As it stands, the questions are really just suggestions. The candidates are hell bent on getting in their lines, whether they are prompted or not.


i suggest one of those volt zappers in their seats. the moderator has the button. gives em a light jolt at first. then zaps the hell out of em if they continue.

it would at least be amusing to watch.

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Re: Anyone watching the debate tonight?

Postby Lord Rother » 09 Oct 2020, 20:58

Just say, “I’m sorry, I have given you 2 opportunities to answer a specific question which the electorate has a right to hear from you on, it seems you are unwilling to do so, so I will now hand that opportunity to your opponent, for their allotted time, and the remainder of your unused time. With no right of reply.”

That should sort it.

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Postby Snarfyguy » 10 Oct 2020, 03:04

I found the VP debate refreshingly dull.

I'm beginning to think Trump's plan to win over suburban women by being an interrupting bully isn't panning out.
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Re: Anyone watching the debate tonight?

Postby Lord Rother » 10 Oct 2020, 08:33

Women just don’t understand what’s good for them.

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Re: Anyone watching the debate tonight?

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Lord Rother wrote:Women just don’t understand what’s good for them.


mwhahahaha.

i swear, five minutes alone in a room with pence. five. he would hurt. the expression on his face would... change.

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Re: Anyone watching the debate tonight?

Postby kath » 10 Oct 2020, 20:14

harvey k-tel wrote:I still have a hard time reconciling the FOX news JD Roberts with the VJ JD Roberts of my youth who was an on-air host on MuchMusic (Canada's version of MTV).



hey, harvey. i just saw someone retweet this on twitter. (i hope the link works. technology drives me batty.)

he may've sold his soul to fox news, but he's still got a lilllll of his old self in there, mwhaha.

ya can't hear his gweetar for crap, but that's his 9 year old on drums.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1314959836845682691

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Postby harvey k-tel » 11 Oct 2020, 15:03

Ha! That's great!

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Re: Anyone watching the debate tonight?

Postby kath » 13 Oct 2020, 12:58

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mwhahaha. when herman cain came back as a fly only to get squished again...

but my fave moment was on weekend update, when kate mckinnon lost being in character. (it's about midway thru this clip, close to the 3 minute mark.)



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Postby kath » 13 Oct 2020, 13:12

by the way, i think it was you, charlie, who posted that mayor pete clip when he went on fox news after the debate and just had those hosts in stunned, clueless silence. well, he hasn't really stopped doin it.

https://news.yahoo.com/column-way-slayer-pete-buttigieg-003618262.html

(this was originally in the LA times. but i can't access the LA times, cuz there is no way i'm gonna disable my ad blocker. NOT HAPPENIN. so anyway, i found a reprint of it on yahoo.)

some snippets:

"Last year, as we got to know him during the Democratic presidential nomination race, he bore the weight of being the first openly gay presidential candidate easily, as if it was no big deal. Sure, it takes a certain level of, shall we say, personal confidence to imagine that going from mayor of South Bend, Ind., to the White House is a possible career trajectory, but his was a quiet, respectful confidence, befitting a Rhodes scholar and a Naval intelligence officer.

So maybe it should not be surprising to discover that when Buttigieg swore to do whatever he could to ensure the election of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, that “whatever” turned out to include “speak softly and carry a sling blade.”

...

Last week, having served as stand-in for Vice President Mike Pence during Harris’ debate prep, Buttigieg must have seemed a natural choice for a predebate interview. Fox News’ Martha MacCallum and Bret Baier certainly thought so, asking Harris’ former rival a preloaded question about her public policy differences with Biden. Standing in front of Kingsbury Hall in Salt Lake City, Buttigieg gave his now viral-famous answer:

“Well, there’s a classic parlor game of trying to find a little bit of daylight between running mates,” Buttigieg said. “And if people want to play that game, we could look into why an evangelical Christian like Mike Pence wants to be on a ticket with the president caught with a porn star, or how he feels about the immigration policy that he called ‘unconstitutional’ before he decided to team up with Donald Trump.”

Cue stunned silence in the studio and the sound of a kajillion social media posts.

Steve Doocy must have missed the segment and the tweets because he had Buttigieg on “Fox and Friends” the next morning. When asked a question about President Trump refusing to participate in a virtual debate, Mayor Pete answered: “I don’t know why you’d want to be in a room with other people if you were contagious with a deadly disease, if you care about other people. But maybe the president of the United States doesn’t care about other people.”

Later in the interview, when Buttigieg brought up the president’s denigration of fallen American soldiers, Doocy, having learned nothing even from his very own interview, interrupted to insist the president had denied those reports. Buttigieg let him down easy with a classic “If you really believe the president now on this kind of stuff," he said. "I’ve got a bridge to sell you.”

Then, during an MSNBC interview on Sunday, Buttigieg followed a touching response to National Coming Out Day with a calm, cool and collected shredding of Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett’s just-made opening statement ahead of her confirmation hearings. "This is what nominees do. They write the most seemingly unobjectionable, dry stuff," Buttigieg said. "But really what I see in there is a pathway to judicial activism cloaked in judicial humility."

Then he launched into a soliloquy that evoked the award-winning play “What the Constitution Means to Me.”

“At the end of the day, rights in this country have been expanded because courts have understood what the true meaning of the letter of the law and the spirit of the constitution is," he said. "That is not about time traveling yourself back to the 18th century and subjecting yourself to the same prejudices and limitations as the people who write these words. The Constitution is a living document because the English language is a living language. And you need to have some readiness to understand that in order to serve on the court in a way that will actually make life better."

He went on to add that even the founding fathers — the guys that these “dead-hand originalists claim fidelity to” — understood the importance of changing with the times."

...

"Now we know that what lies behind that white shirt, dark tie and “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” face is not a policy wonk but a rhetorical assassin. With a loving husband, a really nice kitchen and deadly aim.

So, as Lin-Manuel Miranda (of whom Buttigieg and his husband, Chasten, are fans) asked in “Hamilton," what do we think, “Treasury or State?”



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"Slayer Pete is Phase 1.

Wait till Pantera Pete shows up."

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Re: Anyone watching the debate tonight?

Postby Charlie O. » 13 Oct 2020, 17:44

I really think he's going to be President someday. Probably a very long way off yet, but he's a young man.
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Re: Anyone watching the debate tonight?

Postby kath » 14 Oct 2020, 13:25

as most of you know, trump bailed out of the second town hall debate with joe biden, being the coward chickenshit he is.

so joe biden went ahead and scheduled his own town hall on ABC, to be aired at the same time as the original debate was, tomorrow night.

welll, trump decided he wanted his OWN town hall debate, so NBC is gonna air it at the same time as biden's debate.

gee, not at all a sucky move, NBC.

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Postby kath » 15 Oct 2020, 21:37

noel casler, a comedian who worked intimately as a production assistant with the trumps for years on celebrity apprentice (and talks at length about trump's drug probs, his adult diapers even then, etc.) said this:

"I may be wrong but this may be the first time NBC has had a rapist on at 8pm Thursday since Cosby."