Joe Biden

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks

Trump vs Biden

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Joe
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Re: Joe Biden

Postby kath » 25 Aug 2020, 20:55

nathan wrote:After the 2018 election, the primary participation this year, the pandemic, economic bullshit and how Trump has not done one thing to expand his voting base... I don't see how he could possibly win this year. Unless he cheats. But even then, no pollster or pundit knows how large the turnout will be this year. I think it terrifies the Trump campaign that there will be millions of first-time voters this election. MILLIONS. It won't be a Reagan/Mondale landslide but it may look more like the Johnson/Goldwater landslide.

Trump barely won in 2016. The polls were right in 2016 and Trump won in the margin of error. He is not even close right now. A poll of likely voters this week put Biden at 53% nationwide. How can you win when over half want to vote for the other guy?

But sure, I get the pessimism. But holy shit, I have been through enough this year. I am not going to spend the next 3 months shitting rocks. Will Biden have a Dukakis-like slide? Sure, it's possible. But c'mon. Trump is fucking terrible and most in this country know that.

I'm rambling, but I got my unsolicited mail-in ballot request in the mail last week. It comes with a detailed FAQ sheet explaining how safe and easy it is to vote by mail. Most states are doing this. Many saw record participation in their primaries this year because of it! I am optimistic. This country sucks in many ways, but I don't think it wants full-on moron fascism. Many, sure, but not most.


i try not to be too optimistic. it's true i'm a helluvalot more cynical these days. but you say much that means quite a bit.

here is one truth: the only people left who believe one word out of trump's mouth are his hardcore followers. and they are indeed a minority. cheating is the ONLY way he has a shot.

i can't get a mail-in ballot in louisiana. so my ass is gonna be out there to vote.

what's weird here is that many states, including red states, need mail-in voting. who the hell does he honestly think he's gonna depress/suppress with that crap?

i was pleasantly surprised at the huge roll out of votes a few years ago to take back the house. i do think we are gonna see the *attempt* at much more than that. the real probs are the actual blockades and assorted fucquery they've been doin for years. throwin out thousands upon thousands of ballots for bogus reasons. closing down scads of voting places so folk hafta wait in line for fucquin hours to vote. thugs showing up at voting places to intimidate votes. the usual. and more.

but there are soooo many folk who may not have cared about the last election who are beyond sick of this shit.

i said it might happen. it just might.

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Re: Joe Biden

Postby nathan » 25 Aug 2020, 21:16

Kath, my good-natured and Pollyanna heart ( :roll:) wants to believe that most Americans when confronted with the stark reality of four more years of that turd on their television blathering like an idiot and treating the government like one of his shows pitting Meatloaf against Flavor Flav will be enough motivation to vote.

Also, the people that stayed home last time because they didn't like Hillary either are seeing the error of their ways. They will vote this time.

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Re: Joe Biden

Postby Jimbo » 25 Aug 2020, 22:11

You guys are sweating bullets over the idea of another four years of Trump but your worries could easily be mollified if only Biden (my god) started promising some policies which all of you "never Trump" guys and many others could get behind. Things like, well, things like Bernie was promising. But Biden is promising fuck all. Policy-wise, he is not so different from Trump. But if tomorrow Biden came out and said, "In the middle of this health emergency ... Medicare for all! Whaddya say." But he ain't saying shit and neither are his fellow Dems. How come? How the fuck come? Don't they want to win? Don't they want to end the scourge that is Trump? They could easily win if they merely differentiate themselves from Trump by promising things like ending wars, higher minimum wage, UBI, legalize weed, policing the police, a chicken in every pot, for Christ's sake! The fact is THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU.
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Re: Joe Biden

Postby Jimbo » 25 Aug 2020, 22:47

Then again who'd think that while the Dems are shooting off their own toes the Republicans would want to play the same stupid game? As I said before, it's dumb vs dumber.

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Re: Joe Biden

Postby Diamond Dog » 29 Aug 2020, 05:29

Very interesting article in The Atlantic :

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... es/615835/

In which it suggests that Biden & Harris have not done/said nearly enough regarding Kenosha and how that is detrimental to their election chances

It finishes with this :

Biden, then, should go immediately to Wisconsin, the crucial state that Hillary Clinton infamously ignored. He should meet the Blake family and give them his support and comfort. He should also meet Kenoshans like the small-business owners quoted in the Times piece, who doubt that Democrats care about the wreckage of their dreams. Then, on the burned-out streets, without a script, from the heart, Biden should speak to the city and the country. He should speak for justice and for safety, for reform and against riots, for the crying need to bring the country together. If he says these things half as well as Julia Jackson did, we might not have to live with four more years of Trump.

Well worth a read.
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Re: Joe Biden

Postby The Prof » 29 Aug 2020, 10:00

Sam Stone wrote:Remember how all of us said there was no way the odious one would get in then? First at first the primaries,
then at the convention and finally at the election itself?

Then there's the shame factor in polls.

When you allow for poll respondents who'd never in a million years admit to intending to vote for Trump,
that nine-point gap is likely to narrow considerably.

Be afraid, be very afraid - especially if the Orange-faced buffoon manages to "win" the Orange State come
Election Day.


I was reading something from a pollster the other day who's managed to get the results right more often than not over the years. He basically flipped the question of who people voted for, by asking them who their neighbours would vote for.
In the UK we have the category of the 'shy Tory' someone who never admits voting Conservative, but does so once in the polling both.

He was basically saying Trump has a lot more support that the polls are suggesting.

I hope he's wrong of course.

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Re: Joe Biden

Postby KeithPratt » 29 Aug 2020, 10:14

In June Biden looked a shoe-in.

Now I'm not so sure. People, understandably, don't like rioting and looting.

To me, I don't remember seeing anything from Biden that wasn't anything other than "I'm not that guy". I don't think it'll be enough to be honest.

Anecdotally, I see tons of tweets from people saying "I was a Liberal Democrat voter but I'm voting Trump because of the riots".

It strikes me that the radical left is doing far more harm to the Democrats chances of winning than Trump losing. They need to distance themselves from it very quickly.

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Re: Joe Biden

Postby Diamond Dog » 29 Aug 2020, 10:29

I am completely at a loss to understand how people in the US, like you Toby, somehow associate Biden with the rioting. After all - Trump is President.

But apparently that doesn't count for much in the fucked up world of American politics. The RNC's tagline should have been "America is fucking terrible at the moment - vote for four more years!".

It's because of that perverse sense of who is to blame for the state of the country that I really do fear a Trump second term.
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Postby KeithPratt » 29 Aug 2020, 10:59

The fact is that the riots and other things like autonomous zones have happened in places like Portland and Seattle, which I'm sure are not hotbeds of republican voters. Kenosha voted Republican in 2016, but it has to be a statistical outlier to a certain extent because, apart from 1972, it has always voted Democrat in the last 100 years.

These are places associated with Democrat voters in the main. So Republicans, and swing voters might think "well, if the Democrats get in, then they will NOT be able to keep law and order under control if cities where they have the most votes are out of control".


The RNC's tagline should have been "America is fucking terrible at the moment - vote for four more years!"


But to a lot of Americans it isn't a terrible place. Sure, in places, it very much is. But candidates who offer hope, however misguided that might be, will always have a chance.

Trump's great strength is that, despite his absolutely diabolical rhetoric, despite being a brazen plutocratic oligarch, he somehow speaks to a lot of Americans. It might appear utterly odious to middle-class Liberals, but it's something that could win a second term, sadly.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-buoyed-spir ... for-trump/

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Re: Joe Biden

Postby kath » 29 Aug 2020, 11:25

KeithPratt wrote:In June Biden looked a shoe-in.

Now I'm not so sure. People, understandably, don't like rioting and looting.

To me, I don't remember seeing anything from Biden that wasn't anything other than "I'm not that guy". I don't think it'll be enough to be honest.

Anecdotally, I see tons of tweets from people saying "I was a Liberal Democrat voter but I'm voting Trump because of the riots".

It strikes me that the radical left is doing far more harm to the Democrats chances of winning than Trump losing. They need to distance themselves from it very quickly.


question: who exactly is this "radical left"? i for one would like a definition that *doesn't* sound like right-wing propaganda. thanks.

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Re: Joe Biden

Postby KeithPratt » 29 Aug 2020, 11:37

People setting up autonomous zones in Seattle?

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Re: Joe Biden

Postby Diamond Dog » 29 Aug 2020, 12:07

KeithPratt wrote:Trump's great strength is that, despite his absolutely diabolical rhetoric, despite being a brazen plutocratic oligarch, he somehow speaks to a lot of Americans. It might appear utterly odious to middle-class Liberals, but it's something that could win a second term, sadly.



Yeah despite all that and more crimes against sanity...

I'm the one up above you expressing my fear he may get in.

My point with your post though is that you're blaming a mother driving her 17 year old son across state lines with a gun, fully with the intention of assassinating people on the street, as a Democrat problem? In a Republican State?

How so?
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Re: Joe Biden

Postby kath » 29 Aug 2020, 12:34

KeithPratt wrote:People setting up autonomous zones in Seattle?


really? so they are the radical left? yer gonna hafta be much more specific.

there were hundreds of moms out there, singing and chanting. i even know a few of em. i also know a few vets who were out there (i was a navy wife in my past). they got tear-gassed and got the shit kicked out of em by the thug/bully/cowardly/pignorant forces out there, the very forces who profit from demonizing regular folk as "the radical left".

only idjuts or asswads actually believe these folk deserve to be targeted, or that there is some massive army of, i dunno, antifa socialists out there with the sole purpose of bringing down america. it is right-wing, trumpian bullshit spin.

but you can believe it if ya want, of course. you may even think the trumpers will win the next election. they might. they've got gazillions of white power dollars behind em, after all.

they might not, mind. cuz they're idjuts and asswads, stoked by fear of the real truth: they're outnumbered by decent folk who are sick of the shit.

we'll see.

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Re: Joe Biden

Postby Sam Stone » 29 Aug 2020, 13:11

KeithPratt wrote:
To me, I don't remember seeing anything from Biden that wasn't anything other than "I'm not that guy". I don't think it'll be enough to be honest.





Well it worked out quite well for Boris Johnson

The only way our American cousins can be sure of getting shot of Trump is to get up off their arses
and vote him out while doing all they can to ensure that everyone they know does the same

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Re: Joe Biden

Postby kath » 29 Aug 2020, 15:18

Sam Stone wrote:The only way our American cousins can be sure of getting shot of Trump is to get up off their arses
and vote him out while doing all they can to ensure that everyone they know does the same


yep.

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Re: Joe Biden

Postby Sam Stone » 29 Aug 2020, 15:40

kath wrote:
Sam Stone wrote:The only way our American cousins can be sure of getting shot of Trump is to get up off their arses
and vote him out while doing all they can to ensure that everyone they know does the same


yep.



Sorry Kath, missed out the bit about "and doing the rest of the world a huge favour" that should have come
directly after the words "getting shot of Trump..."

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Re: Joe Biden

Postby Tactful Cactus » 29 Aug 2020, 19:04

kath wrote:the real probs are the actual blockades and assorted fucquery they've been doin for years. throwin out thousands upon thousands of ballots for bogus reasons. closing down scads of voting places so folk hafta wait in line for fucquin hours to vote. thugs showing up at voting places to intimidate votes. the usual. and more.


Thats pretty shocking. Is that happening on a large scale? It sounds more like those countries that have pantomime elections before the tin-pot dictator claims a landslide.

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Re: Joe Biden

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Yeah I know it's from Daily Caller. It's still funny as hell.
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Re: Joe Biden

Postby Diamond Dog » 31 Aug 2020, 13:09

You really want to know about who is protecting/breaking the law in Portland? Read on.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/appeals ... KeKIYStZdY

A three-judge panel on Thursday temporarily halted protections for journalists and legal observers covering the unrest In Portland, Oregon.

Last week, federal Judge Michael Simon ruled that journalists and legal observers were exempt from federal officers' physical force, arrest or other treatment if the officers "reasonably know" that a person is a journalist or legal observer.

But in a 2-1 decision, the judges on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, agreed with the government that Judge Simon’s initial ruling was too broad.


And

Attorney General William Barr said in a statement that he thought the decision was "an important step."

There's a name for this kind of action, isn't there?
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Re: Joe Biden

Postby Mike Boom » 31 Aug 2020, 22:15

Federal agents throwing people into unmarked vans
Taking away the rights and protections of the "free press" to report on whats happening
Trump supporters driving thru town spraying protestors with pepper spray
Misrepresenting the numbers of people dead from the virus
Suppression of the vote
The rallies, the propaganda, the lies.

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