You're a card Chas!

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You're a card Chas!

Postby C » 20 Jul 2020, 11:55

After using it on YY it occurred to me that the expression that somebody is 'a card' might not travel outside of Blighty.

Is that true?




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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby Jimbo » 20 Jul 2020, 12:16

Nor do I wear a monocle and spats.

Have you ever referred to someone as a schmuck? That term of affection don't get much play in the UK I imagine.
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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby C » 20 Jul 2020, 12:46

Jimbo wrote:Have you ever referred to someone as a schmuck? That term of affection don't get much play in the UK I imagine.


I have used it a handful of times in my life Jim-lad and others have used it more.

Yes, it is a term used, and familiar with folk, this side of the pond me old mucker!





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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby souphound » 20 Jul 2020, 12:56

About "being a card": I had never thought of this before, but here in Quebec (I doubt the same exists in France btw, I just don't know), we have an expression that calls out someone for being a "deux de piques" or two of spades. This refers to an individual who is slightly off the norm, usually not in a good way. An oddball would be just a bit milder as a describer.
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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby Jimbo » 20 Jul 2020, 12:57

C wrote: mucker!


Is that someone who cleans out the stable?
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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby Jimbo » 20 Jul 2020, 13:00

Cards.

Not playing with a full deck.
Aces!
Joker
Uhhh ...
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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby souphound » 20 Jul 2020, 13:01

Jimbo wrote:Cards.

Not playing with a full deck.
Aces!
Joker
Uhhh ...



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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby Sam Stone » 20 Jul 2020, 13:46

Jimbo wrote:Nor do I wear a monocle and spats.

Have you ever referred to someone as a schmuck? That term of affection don't get much play in the UK I imagine.



It’s from the Yiddish word “shmok” (meaning penis) so would be widely used by mainly Jewish people - as would shlemeil, messhugenah, etc, etc.

A chap called Leo Rosen wrote a very funny book on the topic called the Joy of Yiddish

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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby Flower » 20 Jul 2020, 13:57

souphound wrote:TRUMP


:lol:

It sounds like an expression from the 1920's. :D

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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby Flower » 20 Jul 2020, 14:10

Jimbo wrote:
C wrote: mucker!


Is that someone who cleans out the stable?


Or perhaps a muckraker?

The muckrakers were reform-minded journalists in the Progressive Era in the United States (1890s–1920s) who exposed established institutions and leaders as corrupt. They typically had large audiences in popular magazines.

So. a muckraker might''ve been a 1920's card ... ;)
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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby Charlie O. » 20 Jul 2020, 16:07

Flower wrote:*I thought that you were directing a remark towards Charlie O for some reason but I was wrong.

He was.
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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby Flower » 20 Jul 2020, 16:19

Charlie O. wrote:
Flower wrote:*I thought that you were directing a remark towards Charlie O for some reason but I was wrong.

He was.


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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby C » 21 Jul 2020, 16:23

For the still interested

The earliest recorded use of card in this sense was in an 1836 work by Charles Dickens (Sketches By Boz) in which he referred to someone as "a knowing card" (Mr. Thomas Potter whose great aim it was to be considered as a 'knowing card'".) He used it again in Bleak House in 1852: “Such an old card has this; so deep, so sly, and secret.” This usage sprang from cards in the sense of playing cards, which had long used such phrases as a sure card, a safe card, a best card and so on.

Earlier, in the 1500s on, a good card was used, but this probably (my guess, not official) referred to carded wool, where a good card meant a carding job on fleece that resulted in a clean, litter-free batch of carded wool. There are references to thistles and combs with card, which would also be in the manner of carding wool.

Another source wherein card (alone) was used to indicate a witty or eccentric person, a "character," puts the first usage at 1911 in The Card, a novel by Arnold Bennett.


Incidentally, in my usage of the expression regarding my learned and esteemed friend Chas - I was implying wit rather than eccentricity...!





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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby Jimbo » 22 Jul 2020, 06:22

What is the difference between a "card shark" and "card sharp"?
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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby Sam Stone » 22 Jul 2020, 10:50

Jimbo wrote:
What is the difference between a "card shark" and "card sharp"?




Aha, a rare attempt at levity from J!

I don't know!

What is the difference between a "card shark" and a "card sharp"?

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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby Fonz » 22 Jul 2020, 13:02

I think I know that card sharps Used to shave some cards to make others easier to deal unfairly. Or something
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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby Jimbo » 22 Jul 2020, 15:27

Sam Stone wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
What is the difference between a "card shark" and "card sharp"?




Aha, a rare attempt at levity from J!

I don't know!

What is the difference between a "card shark" and a "card sharp"?


A P and and a K? (Say it fast.) (I'm peeing, okay?)
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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby Hightea » 22 Jul 2020, 17:17

C wrote:After using it on YY it occurred to me that the expression that somebody is 'a card' might not travel outside of Blighty.

Is that true?




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Haven't heard that in eons. I guess I know it from the movies as I believe at some point it was used in a few movies.

I use schmuck all the time aka Trump is a schmuck. Then again I'm jewish so use plenty of these terms.

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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby Diamond Dog » 22 Jul 2020, 17:22

Jimbo wrote:What is the difference between a "card shark" and "card sharp"?


I actually do know this.

The correct term is 'card sharp'.... 'sharp' derives from 'sharping' a word that means 'swindling'. It isn't (or wasn't) just used for cards... you could have a 'sales sharp' or a 'religious sharp' both of who would be swindlers, using different professions. People heard the phrase and just assumed it was 'card shark' which does sound like someone who cheats to win at cards, doesn't it? In time, the two terms became interchangeable- but it was definitely 'sharp' before 'shark'.

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Re: You're a card Chas!

Postby Jimbo » 25 Jul 2020, 04:56

What's your favorite poker game? Mine is "Jacks to open, trips to win."
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