Critically thinking about the corona virus

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Re: Critically thinking about the corona virus

Postby OUTPLAY » 16 Oct 2020, 19:22

:lol:
Matt Wilson wrote:gobble gobble gobble

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Re: Critically thinking about the corona virus

Postby kath » 16 Oct 2020, 19:44

Matt Wilson wrote:That's too bad. I've found over the last four years with Trump in office that I really don't like Republicans. Now you saw how I worded that. I didn't state I don't like Trump-supporting Republicans, I didn't say I don't like radical-right "Christian" Republicans, no - I really can't stand those either - I think I don't like Republicans period. Probably a flaw in my character (What?! Bet you didn't know I had one of those!), and I'm not proud of it, but there ya go. They bug me. In 2020, it's not just a difference in political opinion, it's a deficit of morals, of character, if you will.

So I avoid those threads. I know they're gonna bug me, and I don't want to read Jimbo's rants. To me, he's still the guy who likes Sons of Champlin and lives in Japan. I understand he's pissed everybody off and everything, but I still figure we could probably have a beer or seven and just not talk politics or conspiracy theories. Or maybe we couldn't, I don't know. Maybe he'd still bring it up because he couldn't help himself. I don't really know him.

I don't really know Flower either. She seems nice from what I've read. Doesn't seem the type to start fights, but that's the thing about these Nextdoorland discussions which aren't about music, they're about things we take personally (not that we don't take music personally), and can always take a detour into areas which are sensitive. So again, it's too bad there's all this bickering about stupid stuff. But I understand how it's bound to happen. Ya hang around here every day and shoot the shit about all kinds of topics and naturally it's gonna go off course now and again.

Maybe it's time for some people to take a break for a week or so.


well, that is the distinction i tried to make. i'm not talkin about regular bickering.

i'm pretty laid back. i don't really bicker with people, or at least i haven't in a very long while. life is too short. when some of the bickery restarted with coan's board, i came out and said for everyone to just chill about it, mwhaha. i don't hold grudges against anyone over there. i'm not gonna even bother goin after someone these days unless i think there is a real reason for it.

the few people on this board i have gone after recently are different.

and of course, it's fine if you don't see them as toxic or trolly with distinction.

i do.

it has nothing to do with being republican. i was using that as a metaphor for two-faced, nasty, arrogant + stupid, lurking creeps who under no circumstances should be trusted.

they deserve to be pegged for what they are. that's it. that's my motivation.

if some people wanna keep buying the nice, normal, just-in-a-mood front, they will. those people might wanna still watch their wallets and their car keys, though. mwhaha. just as a precaution. at least make sure to have extra lysol on hand.

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Re: Critically thinking about the corona virus

Postby Diamond Dog » 21 Oct 2020, 18:42

If you had set out to do absolutely EVERYTHING wrong, you couldn't possibly have achieved results this bad :

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... t8ahNSmcVA

If anyone still fancies defending this corrupt, robbing band of inept fuckwits we call a Government..... here's your chance. Truly shocking.
I have put the ignorant, inflammatory bore on ignore.

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Re: Critically thinking about the corona virus

Postby Sam Stone » 21 Oct 2020, 21:40

Spain has just passed The million cases mark.

Ireland back in lockdown.

Not looking good.

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Re: Critically thinking about the corona virus

Postby Minnie the Minx » 21 Oct 2020, 21:48

I just volunteered to give vaccines when they come out. I look forward to going out in a hail of anti - vaxer’s bullets sometime in the Spring!
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Re: Critically thinking about the corona virus

Postby Sam Stone » 13 Nov 2020, 10:27

Interesting study by London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine about the potential effects of misinformation on likely vaccine take up

https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news ... 19-vaccine




12 November 2020

First of its kind survey suggests online misinformation threatens herd immunity target and ‘people’s lives’

Fewer people in the UK and US would “definitely” take a COVID-19 vaccine than is required for herd immunity, and misinformation could push these levels further away from that goal, suggests new research.

The study, which is under peer review, was led by the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine. It asked 8,000 people about their willingness to accept a potential COVID-19 vaccine. Prior to being exposed with misinformation, 54% of those surveyed in the UK said they would “definitely” accept a vaccine, 41.2% in the US.

After being shown online misinformation, that number dropped by 6.4% (UK) and by 2.4% (US).

It is estimated that a COVID-19 vaccine will need to be accepted by at least 55% of the population to provide herd immunity, and some scientists anticipate even higher numbers will be needed. The researchers who conducted the new study say the findings can help inform COVID-19 vaccination messaging and engagement strategies to mitigate the negative impacts of misinformation in the UK and US.

As COVID-19 vaccine trials continue, there have been widely circulating false stories about the virus as well as potential vaccines and treatments. Rumours include claims that 5G mobile networks are causing the virus, that the pandemic is a conspiracy or a bioweapon, and that vaccine participants have died after taking a candidate COVID-19 vaccine – none of which are true.

Professor Heidi Larson from the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine and study lead said: “COVID-19 vaccines will be crucial to helping to end this pandemic and returning our lives to near normal. However, vaccines only work if people take them. Misinformation plays into existing anxieties and uncertainty around new vaccines, as well as the new platforms that are being used to develop them. This threatens to undermine the levels of COVD-19 vaccine acceptance required.

“Although studies have examined the effect of COVID-19 misinformation on public perception, the link between exposure to misinformation and intent to receive a future vaccination is less well known. This study plugs that knowledge gap.”

The research team aimed to quantify the impact of online misinformation on intent to take a COVID-19 vaccine, and identify socio-economic groups that are most susceptible to online misinformation and at-risk of non-vaccination.

In the study, 3,000 respondents in each country were exposed to widely circulating misinformation on social media surrounding a COVID-19 vaccine between June and August 2020. The remaining 1,000 were shown information about a COVID-19 vaccine that was factual to serve as a randomised control.

According to the article, ‘In both countries, individuals with highest educational attainment below postgraduate degrees, low income groups, and non-whites are more likely to reject a COVID-19 vaccine.’ Females are also more likely than males to refuse a COVID vaccine. However, more respondents in both countries would accept a vaccine if it meant protecting family, friends, or at-risk groups.

In the US, Democrats are less likely to reject the vaccine than Republicans, whereas those who do not affiliate with any of the four major parties in the UK are far more likely to refuse a vaccine.

Many groups in the US appear to be vulnerable to COVID-19 vaccine misinformation. Respondents aged over 35 are significantly more likely to reject a vaccine after exposure to misinformation than they were before exposure.

In the US, those who use up to 30 minutes of social media daily are less susceptible than non-users or those who use less than 10 minutes of social media per day. In the UK, the impact of misinformation on intent to vaccinate appears to have no difference across socio-eco-demographic groups.

Professor Larson notes: “Vaccine confidence has a significant impact on global health. Positive confidence means higher acceptance of crucial health interventions, while low confidence means heightened risk perception and vulnerability to misinformation. We know misinformation is out there, but until now we did not know how significant its impact really is.

“Our work has shown that misinformation can change people’s minds and willingness to accept a potential COVID-19 vaccine, a decision which could threaten lives around the world. Reported willingness to accept a COVID-19 vaccine is already below the needed herd immunity threshold. Exposure to misinformation could push us even further away from that goal.

The study also found that the main barriers to positive intent to vaccinate were concerns over vaccine safety, and a belief that they would not be at risk of contracting COVID-19 or would not become ill if they did. Individuals who wanted to “wait until others” had been vaccinated were less likely to outright reject a vaccine.

Professor Larson said: “This study can’t replicate a real-world social media platform environment. However, it provides valuable insights for policymakers and stakeholders engaged in either public health communication or the design of vaccine-rollout programme.

“The potential risks of campaigns which aim to propagate vaccine anxiety and doubts through misinformation should not be underestimated. These are serious risks that can undermine optimum uptake of potential new COVID-19 vaccines.”

Pre-print Publication

Loomba, A. de Figueiredo, S. J. Piatek, K. de Graaf, H. J. Larson. Measuring the Impact of Exposure to COVID-19 Vaccine Misinformation on Vaccine Intent in the UK and US. DOI: 10.1101/2020.10.22.20217513


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Re: Critically thinking about the corona virus

Postby Sam Stone » 19 Nov 2020, 22:16

The WHO said today that COVID deaths in Europe were now occurring at a rate of one every 17 seconds

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Re: Critically thinking about the corona virus

Postby Hightea » 20 Nov 2020, 20:50

sadly, one of my camera club members who had been thru cancer treatments and was in remission caught Covid and has unfortunately passed away this week. I didn't know him that well but had a few conversation with him at club meeting before Covid came and cancelled them .

Besides a few parents of friends who had died this is the first death of someone I knew personally. I'm assuming that when this is all over there will be more. so sad.

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Re: Critically thinking about the corona virus

Postby Flower » 21 Nov 2020, 13:22


Toronto and Peel placed under "lockdown," all non-essential retail will be limited to curbside pickup only


https://www.cp24.com/news/toronto-and-p ... -1.5197335

The Ford government is placing Toronto and Peel under the “lockdown” category in its tiered framework for COVID-19 restrictions, ordering the closure of gyms, recreation facilities and personal care services while also limiting all non-essential retail stores to curbside pickup only.

The new restrictions were announced by Premier Doug Ford during a press conference at Queen’s Park on Friday afternoon.

Starting Monday at 12:01 a.m., in-person shopping will be prohibited in Toronto and Peel with exceptions for essential retailers such as supermarkets, hardware stores, department stores, convenience stores, pharmacies and beer and liquor stores, all of which will now face a 50 per cent capacity limit.

Meanwhile, bar and restaurants will continue to be permitted to provide takeout or delivery services in those regions under a lockdown but they will no longer be allowed to serve customers on their premises, even if it is on a patio.

The Ford government is also prohibiting all organized gatherings and social events indoors “except with members of the same household” and is introducing a strict new 10-person capacity limit for places of worship that were previously allowed to fill their venues to 30 per cent capacity.

The gathering limit for outdoor events will also be reduced from 25 to 10 for regions in the lockdown tier.

“The situation is extremely serious and further action is required to avoid the worst case scenario,” Ford said in making the announcement. “We cannot put in-class learning at risk, we can’t risk widespread outbreaks in our long-term care homes, we cannot risk overwhelming our hospitals. To protect our most vulnerable and protect what matters most we have to get the community spread under control.”


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Re: Critically thinking about the corona virus

Postby Minnie the Minx » 28 Nov 2020, 18:26

I’ve no idea if there was a lot of inadvisable travelling and mingling in other parts of the US yesterday (I’m sure there was) but our street was really quiet and it was pretty clear to me for the most part that people were behaving.
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Re: Critically thinking about the corona virus

Postby Six String » 28 Nov 2020, 20:02

My neighbors outside of one stayed home this holiday weekend. Apparently there was a massive amount of people waiting for one of the local malls to ro open Friday to purchase one of two PS5 machines that a store had. Madness. Why so few? Are they really that rare or is it that they just came out and everyone wants one?

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Re: Critically thinking about the corona virus

Postby souphound » 28 Nov 2020, 21:33

The neighbours across the alley often have brief get togethers with friends and finally in their backyard. They have a 1-yr old lad. Nice little family. They seem to respect mask-wearing and social distancing and all that. Plus, it's pretty cold over here, so these events don't usually last very long.

Earlier today, I was just looking over there and lo and behold, one of the attendees was smoking a cigarette. Well, everyone else was standing at least 12 feet away from her. A new tool to ensure distanciation?
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