Corona State of Mind

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby Lord Rother » 25 Mar 2020, 22:09

Rorschach wrote:
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Ok that’s enough.

What a cunt is all I can say.

Don’t want to even consider “conversing” with the type of lowlife who comes out with that sort of shit, or even see it, so you can fuck off into the Ignore box.



Why does that bother you so much? I’m genuinely curious.


Dunno really.

Charles is a genuinely decent man who has served his country tirelessly.

The wealth and privilege he was born into is completely irrelevant to any assessment of his character. He might have some strange ideas but he means well in everything he does. Similar to Corbyn, a bit useless but a good man who cares about stuff and people.

If people don’t like the concept of Royalty, that’s fine, doesn’t bother me at all, but the smug and snide “In Happier News” with a smiley face shit directed towards someone who is completely inoffensive but could die from this disease is cuntish in the extreme.

There’s enough shit going on right now without having to put up with ubercunts online. Ive done my best to be gently humorous and self deprecating in exchanges with Copehead over the last few years (probably failed on occasion) but really, life is too short to spend time engaging with arrogant wafflebullies like him.

The Charles post was the final drip that tipped the bucket I guess.

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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby Lord Rother » 25 Mar 2020, 22:17

The Prof wrote:
Deebank wrote:
Lord Rother wrote:Seriously though, it really is quite surprising how many previously anti Boris people are very impressed with his leadership and gravitas in this crisis.


I don't doubt you are absolutely right.


Really?
I haven’t seen or heard anything from him to show that he’s anything other than completely out of his depth.
Jeremy Hunt (of all people) is doing a better job and showing a greater understanding of the situation


But you are too entrenched in your views. Nothing is ever going to allow you to view what he is doing / saying with anything other than the most critical and biased eye.

It’s just how it is.

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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby The Prof » 25 Mar 2020, 23:06

I despise Tories and I’ve just praised Jeremy Hunt for his position this week. I think Rory Stewart talks some sense. Nothing that clown (and his psychotic sidekick) has done is worthy of any praise. Hunt and Stewart refusing to be in the cabinet with him tells you all you need to know.

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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby Rayge » 26 Mar 2020, 09:20

Here in this corner of urban, not particularly middle-class, Zummerzet most everything is shut down, people are social distancing in queues without argument or obvious rancour, the streets and parks are largely empty, supermarkets are rationing but there's plenty on the shelves, at least in the early morning, and we've had five days of no rain for the first time since, ooh, October. I know it's shit for people locked up in the big cities and without the physical or financial means to mitigate isolation and cabin fever, but here there's just an element of unreality about it all.

Not that I'm not taking it seriously or coming over all conspiracy-theory about it, it's just cognitive dissonance is setting in.
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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby Rorschach » 26 Mar 2020, 09:58

Lord Rother wrote:
But you are too entrenched in your views.


That seems a bit ironic coming from you.

I'm a dyed in the wool socialist and we have a socialist government in Spain. They had the examples of China, South Korea etc on the one hand and Iran and Italy on the other hand and they chose to follow the 'policies' of the wrong ones. They totally screwed up. The socialists totally screwed up.

Boris Johnson had all these examples and more and chose to go his own way. He totally screwed up.

There's even handed for you. They both screwed up. No bias, just the facts.

But you think that someone criticising Johnson is entrenched in their views?

The Prof may well be entrenched in his views but he also has facts on his side. All you have is bias.
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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby Deebank » 26 Mar 2020, 10:17

Rorschach wrote:
Lord Rother wrote:
But you are too entrenched in your views.


That seems a bit ironic coming from you.

I'm a dyed in the wool socialist and we have a socialist government in Spain. They had the examples of China, South Korea etc on the one hand and Iran and Italy on the other hand and they chose to follow the 'policies' of the wrong ones. They totally screwed up. The socialists totally screwed up.

Boris Johnson had all these examples and more and chose to go his own way. He totally screwed up.

There's even handed for you. They both screwed up. No bias, just the facts.

But you think that someone criticising Johnson is entrenched in their views?

The Prof may well be entrenched in his views but he also has facts on his side. All you have is bias.


With Johnson/Cummings though it goes way beyond mere incompetence into criminal negligence. We will probably never know how many people have died because of their early insouciance. I hope the words "if a few OAPs die, so be it' will haunt Cummings until he dies but he doesn't seem like the type to have much in the way of conscience.

I am glad that they saw sense and eventually dropped their pseudo-scientific, social Darwinian nonsense though but you wonder what the cost of Cummings 'edgy' flirting with these long ago discredited concepts has been.
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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby Rorschach » 26 Mar 2020, 10:28

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With Johnson/Cummings though it goes way beyond mere incompetence into criminal negligence. We will probably never know how many people have died because of their early insouciance. I hope the words "if a few OAPs die, so be it' will haunt Cummings until he dies but he doesn't seem like the type to have much in the way of conscience.

I am glad that they saw sense and eventually dropped their pseudo-scientific, social Darwinian nonsense though but you wonder what the cost of Cummings 'edgy' flirting with these long ago discredited concepts has been.


This is what I understand happened but I have to admit that I haven't researched it enough to be 100% certain of how much of it is true. That's why I left it out of my response to Lord Rother. I wanted to stick what I definitely knew to be the facts.

But, as one of the evil policemen in Line of duty said: "There are facts, and then there's the truth!"

All you and the Prof have on your side is the facts. Johnson and Trump supporters have the TRUTH!.
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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby Diamond Dog » 26 Mar 2020, 10:39

Lord Rother wrote:
Charles is a genuinely decent man who has served his country tirelessly.



In which ways has he 'served his country tirelessly'? Genuine question.
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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby Copehead » 26 Mar 2020, 12:06

Apparently the drop in deaths yesterday was because the government has changed the way they are counting deaths and have decided that they cannot add a death to the count without the family's consent.

They just cannot help themselves can they.

Telling ridiculous lies like this and fucking around with numbers that will be of use in saving lives is just about the most despicable and irresponsible thing you could possibly do.

Giving people the idea that this has peaked giving the Daily Mail a chance to stick this on their front page:

Is it working? UK records 43 coronavirus deaths in past 24 hours compared to 87 yesterday... and new infections level out


How many people is this bit of shithousery going to kill?

Bunch of fucking sociopaths
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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby Diamond Dog » 26 Mar 2020, 12:22

Copehead wrote:Apparently the drop in deaths yesterday was because the government has changed the way they are counting deaths and have decided that they cannot add a death to the count without the family's consent.


What's the source for this Copey?
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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby Still Baron » 26 Mar 2020, 12:24

If only the career bureaucrats had come up with a plan for the executive branch to follow in the event of a pandemic!

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/2 ... cil-149285
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And here's a Texas edition, which is a little less egregious:

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/13 ... ronavirus/
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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby Rorschach » 26 Mar 2020, 12:36

Still Baron wrote:If only the career bureaucrats had come up with a plan for the executive branch to follow in the event of a pandemic!

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/2 ... cil-149285
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And here's a Texas edition, which is a little less egregious:

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/13 ... ronavirus/



There's a great article in the Atlantic about it.
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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby “The Man” » 26 Mar 2020, 12:49

Diamond Dog wrote:
Copehead wrote:Apparently the drop in deaths yesterday was because the government has changed the way they are counting deaths and have decided that they cannot add a death to the count without the family's consent.


What's the source for this Copey?



He made it up like he makes up all of the more provacative nonsense he posts.

A few examples...

...his post "proving" that Corbyn's economic policies were to the right of Thatcher...

...the twitter exchanges in which he "bested" Owen Jones...

...his claims that Laurence Fox had made nasty remarks about Sikh soldiers in 1917
because director, Sam Mendes, had overlooked him for a part in the film...

...all porkies Copehead made and was unable to substantiate when challenged.

Predictably, this lie is no different.

A quick google of "UK government changes the way it counts coronavirus deaths" reveals no such story.

Why, in any case, would Johnson et al go to the absurd lengths of changing the way they calculated deaths for the sake of lowering the figure for one day at best?
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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby “The Man” » 26 Mar 2020, 12:50

Rorschach wrote:

There's a great article in the Atlantic about it.



Thanks for sharing

The Atlantic articles people have shared up here have been uniformly excellent thoughout this whole thing.

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Re: Corona State of Mind

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Diamond Dog wrote:
Copehead wrote:Apparently the drop in deaths yesterday was because the government has changed the way they are counting deaths and have decided that they cannot add a death to the count without the family's consent.


What's the source for this Copey?


Newsnight last night, there are videos of it on twitter.

It is either gross incompetence or gross shithousery.

If you are doing something like that you tell people up front and tell them why and make it plane that it doesn't mean the worst is over.

This bit of idiocy will literally kill people.
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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby Rorschach » 26 Mar 2020, 17:01

Copehead wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
Copehead wrote:Apparently the drop in deaths yesterday was because the government has changed the way they are counting deaths and have decided that they cannot add a death to the count without the family's consent.


What's the source for this Copey?


Newsnight last night, there are videos of it on twitter.


I don't know about that. Independent sources seem to claim a big drop, day on day. But I don't think that's necessarily significant. According to this site, the number of deaths recorded from coronavirus has been lower than the previous day, five times in the last fortnight. The trend is still exponentially upwards. We'll see in the next couple of days.

The planet is undoubtedly warming up but not every year is hotter than the last. Same thing. Possibly.
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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby Deebank » 26 Mar 2020, 17:01

It was just on R4 aminute ago - it's a recalibration or something.
Didn't stop the right wing media fro crowing about Boris defeating Corona tho.
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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby Copehead » 26 Mar 2020, 17:20

Rorschach wrote:
Copehead wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
What's the source for this Copey?


Newsnight last night, there are videos of it on twitter.


I don't know about that. Independent sources seem to claim a big drop, day on day. But I don't think that's necessarily significant. According to this site, the number of deaths recorded from coronavirus has been lower than the previous day, five times in the last fortnight. The trend is still exponentially upwards. We'll see in the next couple of days.

The planet is undoubtedly warming up but not every year is hotter than the last. Same thing. Possibly.


They specifically said they stopped counting the day's dead earlier and also had decided to ask for kin permission before adding the death to the stats, why they did either of those things is beyond comprehension; as I said, people will die because of it because anti-science morons at places like the Daily mail started claiming victory over the virus :roll:

The fact that it has all gone quite on this in the MSM after last night's Newsnight suggests it was a monumental fuck up that they don't want people to know about.

I'd never thought I'd say this, but thank god for Twitter. People record things like the news night and publicise them so they can't claim we all misheard something.
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Re: Corona State of Mind

Postby Belle Lettre » 26 Mar 2020, 17:46

This what you mean?

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Death figures update: last night only 28 new fatalities recorded.

Alas this is not good news, it is because there are now so many deaths NHS using a 7.30am cut off instead of 1pm.

So govt looking at changing how they are reported 1/2

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Postby “The Man” » 26 Mar 2020, 17:48

Copehead wrote:
Newsnight last night, there are videos of it on twitter.



So where are these videos then?

As am sure you'll understand many BCBers' reluctance to take your brother's word for your honesty,
perhaps you might care to post a link so we can all see what was said for ourselves.


Copehead wrote:
The fact that it has all gone quite on this in the MSM after last night's Newsnight suggests it was a monumental fuck up that they don't want people to know about.




Aha now I now why I couldn't find any such video on the official newsnight twitter feed!

It seems the BBC. who until very recently Johnson was so single-mindedly trying to destroy, has entered into an unholy alliance with the man and mounted the mother of all cover ups!

Copehead wrote:
I'd never thought I'd say this, but thank god for Twitter. People record things like the news night and publicise them so they can't claim we all misheard something.




I never thought I'd say this either, but it's at times like these I wish you were one of those people who recorded things like newsnight to stop the government from claiming we all misheard stuff yourself!

But then as past experience shows you have an impressive past track record when it comes to mis-hearing and mis-interpreting things for your own ends yourself.