Trans issues

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Re: Trans issues

Postby Minnie the Minx » 26 Nov 2019, 11:54

Darkness_Fish wrote:That's fine to say from the perspective of someone who isn't competing in elite female sport


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Re: Trans issues

Postby Deebank » 26 Nov 2019, 12:00

Fonz wrote:
Darkness_Fish wrote:
Minnie the Minx wrote:I suspect that out of all the people who undergo these life changing, mentally and physically exhausting experiences, the ones who do so to get the occasional gold for the 400m hurdle is probably quite small to negligible.

That's fine to say from the perspective of someone who isn't competing in elite female sport (for the avoidance of doubt, I'd like to make it clear that I don't either, and don't intend to), but to dismiss the issue as negligble seems wrong to me. Biological males are winning titles in female sporting competitions, and that would appear to be a nonsense to me, whether that's the reason they self-identify as female or not.

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Trans women goalkeepers have definite advantage.

Massive hands.


Hands like a bricklayer! There used to be an otherwise very elegant lady who ran a art deco knick-knacks shop in the Lanes in Brighton... Hands like a bricklayer though...

Anyway, I think what I have an issue with is when kids are encouraged to take drugs that postpone puberty or even to have surgery. That seems drastic to me. I think kids should be encouraged to wait until they are 18 . I'm sure there are some kids who could benefit from drugs or surgery earlier perhaps but I don't think that should be the norm.
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Re: Trans issues

Postby Flower » 26 Nov 2019, 12:44

Deebank wrote:
Anyway, I think what I have an issue with is when kids are encouraged to take drugs that postpone puberty or even to have surgery. That seems drastic to me. I think kids should be encouraged to wait until they are 18 . I'm sure there are some kids who could benefit from drugs or surgery earlier perhaps but I don't think that should be the norm.


I totally agree. I do believe that "family therapy" would be a great idea. I hope that children who feel lost in their own skin have someone to let out their feelings without judging them.
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Re: Trans issues

Postby Robert » 26 Nov 2019, 12:51

GoogaMooga wrote:I'm okay with most of it, but willfully having one's dick cut off, I think a lot of them regret it later. It's a very drastic step. Wouldn't it pretty much destroy the sex life? I must admit, I am completely ignorant about this surgery business.


Or sex life business, I'm assuming.

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Re: Trans issues

Postby Robert » 26 Nov 2019, 12:56

Darkness_Fish wrote:
Minnie the Minx wrote:I suspect that out of all the people who undergo these life changing, mentally and physically exhausting experiences, the ones who do so to get the occasional gold for the 400m hurdle is probably quite small to negligible.

That's fine to say from the perspective of someone who isn't competing in elite female sport (for the avoidance of doubt, I'd like to make it clear that I don't either, and don't intend to), but to dismiss the issue as negligble seems wrong to me. Biological males are winning titles in female sporting competitions, and that would appear to be a nonsense to me, whether that's the reason they self-identify as female or not.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/late ... tle-397473


I do agree word for word with this but at the same time, bringing this up time and again is blurring the greater prespective on the issue.

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Re: Trans issues

Postby Hightea » 26 Nov 2019, 15:10

The sports take is an interesting one. Not really sure where I stand on the subject. can they test the athletes for a certain testosterone level?
Does that still make it fair?

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Re: Trans issues

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 26 Nov 2019, 15:44

This is one of those discussions where I realize that I don’t have enough standing for my opinions to be useful.
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Re: Trans issues

Postby GoogaMooga » 26 Nov 2019, 16:05

Robert wrote:
GoogaMooga wrote:I'm okay with most of it, but willfully having one's dick cut off, I think a lot of them regret it later. It's a very drastic step. Wouldn't it pretty much destroy the sex life? I must admit, I am completely ignorant about this surgery business.


Or sex life business, I'm assuming.


Assume all you want! :roll: So, clever clogs, explain to me how you get off if you lose the glans along with your penis. You obviously are well-read on this matter. Is it something to do with reconstructing a clit from the glans? No, really!
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Re: Trans issues

Postby Minnie the Minx » 26 Nov 2019, 16:13

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Re: Trans issues

Postby GoogaMooga » 26 Nov 2019, 16:14

Sad that one can't even ask a perfectly reasonable question without being attacked.
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Re: Trans issues

Postby Deebank » 26 Nov 2019, 16:26

GoogaMooga wrote:Sad that one can't even ask a perfectly reasonable question without being attacked.


Yes, I think that is roughly how they do it. However, there is a whole range of different interpretations of 'transgender'. One of the issues is that some transgender women who are phyically completely male are lobying for access to womens' spaces (womens' refuges etc) as well as the right to compete in womens' sports. because identifying is enough.

It all gets very "Why do you want to be Loretta Stan?" at times.
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Re: Trans issues

Postby GoogaMooga » 26 Nov 2019, 16:31

Deebank wrote:
GoogaMooga wrote:Sad that one can't even ask a perfectly reasonable question without being attacked.


Yes, I think that is roughly how they do it. However, there is a whole range of different interpretations of 'transgender'. One of the issues is that some transgender women who are phyically completely male are lobying for access to womens' spaces (womens' refuges etc) as well as the right to compete in womens' sports. because identifying is enough.

It all gets very "Why do you want to be Loretta Stan?" at times.


If you construct a clitoris from the glans, how are you going to have the nerve endings send signals to the brain. How do you make that connection, I would have thought it impossible.
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Re: Trans issues

Postby The Modernist » 26 Nov 2019, 16:37

GoogaMooga wrote:
Deebank wrote:
GoogaMooga wrote:Sad that one can't even ask a perfectly reasonable question without being attacked.


Yes, I think that is roughly how they do it. However, there is a whole range of different interpretations of 'transgender'. One of the issues is that some transgender women who are phyically completely male are lobying for access to womens' spaces (womens' refuges etc) as well as the right to compete in womens' sports. because identifying is enough.

It all gets very "Why do you want to be Loretta Stan?" at times.


If you construct a clitoris from the glans, how are you going to have the nerve endings send signals to the brain. How do you make that connection, I would have thought it impossible.


No it's fairly easy. It works in a similar way to the inner workings of a grandfather clock, through a system of cogs and wheels.

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Re: Trans issues

Postby Belle Lettre » 26 Nov 2019, 16:41

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Re: Trans issues

Postby GoogaMooga » 26 Nov 2019, 16:42

The Modernist wrote:
No it's fairly easy. It works in a similar way to the inner workings of a grandfather clock, through a system of cogs and wheels.


You are not addressing the issue, just hiding behind quips. How do you "reconnect" whatever is left of the glans after surgery.
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Re: Trans issues

Postby The Modernist » 26 Nov 2019, 16:48

GoogaMooga wrote:
The Modernist wrote:
No it's fairly easy. It works in a similar way to the inner workings of a grandfather clock, through a system of cogs and wheels.


You are not addressing the issue, just hiding behind quips. How do you "reconnect" whatever is left of the glans after surgery.


Just use some glue.

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Re: Trans issues

Postby Matt Wilson » 26 Nov 2019, 16:49

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:This is one of those discussions where I realize that I don’t have enough standing for my opinions to be useful.


That's never stopped you before.

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Re: Trans issues

Postby GoogaMooga » 26 Nov 2019, 16:57

So, vague platitudes and stupid quips. No-one willing to come forward and address the crux of the matter.
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Re: Trans issues

Postby GoogaMooga » 26 Nov 2019, 17:01

The Modernist wrote:
GoogaMooga wrote:
The Modernist wrote:
No it's fairly easy. It works in a similar way to the inner workings of a grandfather clock, through a system of cogs and wheels.


You are not addressing the issue, just hiding behind quips. How do you "reconnect" whatever is left of the glans after surgery.


Just use some glue.


Why not just tell me straightforward how you think you are going to have the same nerve connections after surgery.
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Re: Trans issues

Postby Minnie the Minx » 26 Nov 2019, 17:16

Googa, google ‘neoclitoris’ and come back to us, if you’ll pardon the pun.
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