Still think Russia shot down MH-17?

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Still think Russia shot down MH-17?

Postby Jimbo » 28 Jul 2019, 02:03

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Re: Still think Russia shot down MH-17?

Postby never/ever » 28 Jul 2019, 02:06

Most definitely.
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Re: Still think Russia shot down MH-17?

Postby Jimbo » 28 Jul 2019, 02:12

never/ever wrote:Most definitely.


Why?
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Re: Still think Russia shot down MH-17?

Postby never/ever » 28 Jul 2019, 02:14

Jimbo wrote:
never/ever wrote:Most definitely.


Why?


On the empirical evidence presented by the Dutch government.
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Re: Still think Russia shot down MH-17?

Postby Jimbo » 28 Jul 2019, 02:38

Which is soundly debunked by the doc above.

... the real reason why Russia hysteria has been mainlined into mainstream consciousness day in and day out for three years. Not for ratings, not to hurt Trump, not to help the Democrats, but because Russia is viewed as a disobedient geopolitical adversary by the US-centralized power alliance. That’s all it’s ever been.


https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/the- ... 60c84d942a
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Re: Still think Russia shot down MH-17?

Postby never/ever » 28 Jul 2019, 02:46

Nope.
It is soundly reinforcing that by changing the boundaries intelligence is being received and interpreted by both the (mainstream) media and governmental agencies and representatives, the spin has become more important than the data.
Understanding the difference is learning the true value of what is being said (or better, spun) in your piece.
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Re: Still think Russia shot down MH-17?

Postby Jimbo » 28 Jul 2019, 04:24

The doc shows it is the government doing the spinning, i.e. omitting evidence that doesn't fit their narrative. But if you are biased to believe government propaganda over independent investigative journalism rather than questioning authority , well, I guess you're gonna be a good soldier and believe what yer told. Carry on soldier!

Troubling Gaps in the New MH-17 Report

By Robert Parry

The key conclusion of the Dutch-led criminal inquiry implicating Russia in the 2014 shootdown of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 relied heavily on cryptic telephone intercepts that were supplied by the Ukrainian intelligence service and were given incriminating meaning not clearly supported by the words.

The investigators also seemed to ignore other intercepts that conflicted with their conclusions, including one conversation that appeared to be referring to a Ukrainian convoy, not one commanded by ethnic Russian rebels, that was closing in on the Luhansk airport, placing Ukrainian troops deep inside rebel territory...


https://consortiumnews.com/tag/malaysia ... flight-17/
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Re: Still think Russia shot down MH-17?

Postby Jimbo » 28 Jul 2019, 06:04

Think Dutch government shit doesn't stink?

Dutch foreign minister resigns over Putin remarks

Dutch Foreign Minister Halbe Zijlstra resigned Tuesday after admitting to lying about attending a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2006.

Zijlstra previously claimed he overheard Putin talking about expansionist ambitions at a gathering in 2006, but admitted on Monday that he did not meet the president in person and borrowed the information from a source.
https://www.politico.eu/article/halbe-z ... a-remarks/


Lying about Putin? A Dutchman? :shock:
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