Do you believe the official stories about ...

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks

Do you believe the official stories about

Venezuela
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Syria/Assad
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Palestinians
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Julian Assange
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Hillary Clinton
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Bill Clinton
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Russia/Putin
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Climate change
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Abortion
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Medicare for all
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Tulsi vs Bernie vs Joe Biden
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Brexit
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Yellow Vests
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The rights of the Palestinians
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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby Jimbo » 02 Sep 2019, 22:31

GoogaMooga wrote: What do you hope to achieve with this thread, anyway?


Just some friendly debate, some arguing over controversial topics. You can state how you feel about a topic and either get a "Pip pip!" or a "Yer wrong! and here's why." Above the Prof said his opinion of Assange and I said mine. Butch said his bit about Palestine and the treatment of its inhabitants. Agree? Say so! Disagree, say so! That's the point of this thread. I hope to achieve a more lively BCB. And world peace, of course.
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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby GoogaMooga » 02 Sep 2019, 23:55

Jimbo wrote:
GoogaMooga wrote: What do you hope to achieve with this thread, anyway?


Just some friendly debate, some arguing over controversial topics. You can state how you feel about a topic and either get a "Pip pip!" or a "Yer wrong! and here's why." Above the Prof said his opinion of Assange and I said mine. Butch said his bit about Palestine and the treatment of its inhabitants. Agree? Say so! Disagree, say so! That's the point of this thread. I hope to achieve a more lively BCB. And world peace, of course.


If by lively you mean "heated", then yes. Very contentious issues, some of which people have strong feelings about. I've read a lot of your threads, and while it is good to shed some light on hushed down or taboo topics, agreeing or disagreeing won't change the absolute truth one bit. I think it is more interesting to find out if there really is an absolute truth in many of these multi-facetted issues, with all the different vested interests in them that we may face or challenge.
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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby Jimbo » 03 Sep 2019, 00:46

Looky here! Even the Great Fire of London narrative is up for grabs, and interestingly so.
Sep 1, 2019
The Great Fire of London – Cui Bono? 353 years on, we take a fresh look at the evidence
Gloria Moss
https://off-guardian.org/2019/09/01/the ... -cui-bono/


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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby The Prof » 03 Sep 2019, 10:05

So was the Great Fire of London a gold heist or a false flag operation to start another crusade to Syria?

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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby Powehi » 03 Sep 2019, 10:16

The Prof wrote:So was the Great Fire of London a gold heist or a false flag operation to start another crusade to Syria?


Sounds like we could be in for what Googs called a "heated" discussion a couple of posts back

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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby GoogaMooga » 03 Sep 2019, 17:31

Powehi wrote:
The Prof wrote:So was the Great Fire of London a gold heist or a false flag operation to start another crusade to Syria?


Sounds like we could be in for what Googs called a "heated" discussion a couple of posts back


Alright, but the one time I expressed my skepticism about the mass migration to Europe, I was called all sorts of nasty things.
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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby Powehi » 03 Sep 2019, 18:28

GoogaMooga wrote:
Powehi wrote:
The Prof wrote:So was the Great Fire of London a gold heist or a false flag operation to start another crusade to Syria?


Sounds like we could be in for what Googs called a "heated" discussion a couple of posts back


Alright, but the one time I expressed my skepticism about the mass migration to Europe, I was called all sorts of nasty things.



Wasn’t intended as a dig at you, G, it was a joke based on the fact that fires produce heat and any discussion of conflagrations are likely to be heated as a result

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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby GoogaMooga » 03 Sep 2019, 18:31

Powehi wrote:Wasn’t intended as a dig at you, G, it was a joke based on the fact that fires produce heat and any discussion of conflagrations are likely to be heated as a result


Oops, missed that one - that's actually very good, Powehi. :D
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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby Hightea » 04 Sep 2019, 15:22

Honestly Jimbo I've got only one comment:
So you believe big business owners are more honest than scientists?

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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby Jimbo » 05 Sep 2019, 07:06

Since many of you are too scared or too ignorant to comment on whether what we are told by our media and our governments is true or not I thought I'd state my opinion and get some discussion going. I'd have chimed in earlier but you all probably know where I stand - anti-big media/govt - and so I waited for someone else to trip the wire. That ain't happening. So going down the list of topics in the poll I'll start at the top with whether I believe the Venezuela narrative, that Maduro is a socialist dictator and Juan Guaido is the legitimate president of Venezuela.

I think I had heard that the 2019 election which Maduro had won was deemed kosher by election observers. Using Google, however. it seems the answer varies depending on which media outlet I consulted. The usual gang of MSM don't like Maduro and say the election was rigged when he changed the voting days. Whatever, the military and the supreme court seem to like him enough. A leftie/conspiracy site I like came up with a surprisingly tepid endorsement for Maduro by saying this election was no more corrupt than an American election.

Nonetheless, I stand today with Maduro mostly because I'd rather a socialist revolution win the day than a Obama/Trump contrived corporatist coup taking over. Watch Max Blumenthal shoot that dumb position down.

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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby The Prof » 05 Sep 2019, 11:16

Jimbo wrote:....many of you are too scared or too ignorant to comment on whether what we are told by our media and our governments is true or not....


I think it's more apathy that anything else.

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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby Jimbo » 05 Sep 2019, 11:30

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Let’s please ban the word “narrative” from our discussion of the news and this president. There is only one version of the facts and the truth. Full stop.


Do you agree with this Tweet from CNN reporter?

WaPo Warns USA Needs More Narrative Control As Pentagon Ramps Up Narrative Control

Caitlin Johnstone

Do you lay awake at night terrified that the Russians are able to control your mind with information warfare while the US government’s slavish devotion to democratic values leaves it powerless to stop them? Me neither. But according to The Washington Post, whose sole owner is a CIA contractor and Pentagon board member bent on hijacking the underlying infrastructure of the economy, we should be...
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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby Hepcat » 06 Sep 2019, 04:04

Since I'm not sure what the "official" narrative is in almost any of these cases, I'm boycotting this poll.
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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

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WaPo Warns USA Needs More Narrative Control As Pentagon Ramps Up Narrative Control

Caitlin Johnstone

Do you lay awake at night terrified that the Russians are able to control your mind with information warfare while the US government’s slavish devotion to democratic values leaves it powerless to stop them? Me neither. But according to The Washington Post, whose sole owner is a CIA contractor and Pentagon board member bent on hijacking the underlying infrastructure of the economy, we should be...


No I don't think they are able to control my mind. But I do think the fascist Commie bastards on both sides of the Atlantic do indeed try.
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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby Jimbo » 06 Sep 2019, 04:30

All righty. Moving down the poll one notch we arrive at Syria/Assad where the official story is that President Assad is a brutal dictator who gasses his own people and must be overthrown by "moderate rebels" whom we've trained and armed. Naturally I don't buy it because reporters and pundits who know better and look a little deeper into the story say otherwise, that Assad is not gassing his own people and that it's the rebels who are staging these attacks in order to blame Assad. Yes, I know that "false flag" attacks sound icky to you BBC/Guardian following types but they do happen and they happen often in Syria, especially when they are allied and defended by RUSSIA! Agree? Disagree?
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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby Diamond Dog » 06 Sep 2019, 04:53

Bollocks.
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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby The Prof » 06 Sep 2019, 11:01

What's the official story about Clinton then?
He was voted in on a wave of popularity. Lied to the American public about Monica Lewinski. Had some dodgy dealings with a property company in the 90s though none of it stuck and is still generally (though not overwhelmingly) well thought of.

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The Prof wrote:What's the official story about Clinton then?
He was voted in on a wave of popularity. Lied to the American public about Monica Lewinski. Had some dodgy dealings with a property company in the 90s though none of it stuck and is still generally (though not overwhelmingly) well thought of.


Many of Clinton's scandalous doings took place before and after his time in the WH. In light of current events it is notable that he was good friends with Jeffery Epstein and flew on his private jet 26 times. There is more about the Clinton-Epstein friendship in the article below. The article clarifies the Mena, Arkansas airport story when Bill was governor and how he surely knew about the CIA gun and drug running program.

From “Spook Air” to the “Lolita Express”: The Genesis and Evolution of the Jeffrey Epstein-Bill Clinton Relationship
https://www.mintpressnews.com/genesis-j ... ip/261455/
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Re: Do you believe the official stories about ...

Postby Hepcat » 06 Sep 2019, 19:04

Jimbo wrote:All righty. Moving down the poll one notch we arrive at Syria/Assad where the official story is that President Assad is a brutal dictator who gasses his own people and must be overthrown by "moderate rebels" whom we've trained and armed. Naturally I don't buy it because reporters and pundits who know better and look a little deeper into the story say otherwise, that Assad is not gassing his own people and that it's the rebels who are staging these attacks in order to blame Assad. Yes, I know that "false flag" attacks sound icky to you BBC/Guardian following types but they do happen and they happen often in Syria, especially when they are allied and defended by RUSSIA! Agree? Disagree?


The Syrian conflict is a religiously based one between Shiite Muslims (Assad & company) and Sunni Muslims. Since I have a fundamental mistrust of any and all religious fanatics and regard the Syrian conflict as the proverbial tar baby, I'd stay well out of that pestilence ridden rat hole.
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