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Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 19 Jun 2019, 16:40
by Diamond Dog
Powehi wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
Powehi wrote:Given that all you know about me is the almost 100% incorrect assumptions you regularly make based on my posts, how do you know that I'm not a Labour Party member myself? .


Well you'd be anti-Semitic if you were, apparently.

Suck on that.



Ah, abuse. First resort of inarticulate oafs the whole world over


No no no.

Abuse would be something like "Get fucked you cunting ignoramus".

What I posted was just throwing your own inanity back at you.

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 19 Jun 2019, 17:19
by Copehead
The Prof wrote:Rory Stewart is hoping to bring Theresa May's deal (which Europe says in the only deal) back to Parliament which has been defeated 3 times and the others are threatening No Deal which is unacceptable to Parliament.
Changing the arithmetic in Parliament via a general election or a fresh vote would seem to be the main alternatives that none of them want.
- but might be forced into.


I think the EU say that the May deal is the only deal available with her 4 red lines.
Obviously if these red lines were dropped I think another deal would be negotiable but whether the EU could be arsed to continue this process for more years is a moot point.
I'd guess they would because it would be in their best interests as long as they thought the negotiation was credible - i.e. being done by a team who could get the deal through parliament.

Labour's position was restated again today, although once again hardly headlined by the media, Reuters:

I have already made the case ... that it is now right to demand that any deal is put to a public vote. That is in line with our conference policy which agreed a public vote would be an option.”
“A ballot paper would need to contain real choices for both leave and remain voters. This will of course depend on parliament,” he said in a statement.


Same as it has been for months despite the screaming and shouting of Toxic Remainers, who I am pretty sure are keener on damaging the Labour Party than actually remaining in the EU.

Respect the result of the 2016 ballot.
Negotiate a deal to leave that can get through parliament
Put any deal to a vote.

What Labour aren't for is just stopping the Brexit process through parliamentary means or no deal at all.

It isn't a particularly nuanced or complex position, but going by the media; who generally claim that Labour has no position, constantly change their position or have a fiendishly complicated position, you'd think this was political equivalent of String Theory.

I don't think the Corbyn really cares whether there is a soft Brexit or no Brexit, like the majority of Brits he is mildly pro EU, what he really wants is a GE so that the Labour Party can put its far more compelling and popular anti-austerity message to the voters.

That is where the votes are; Brexit divides both main parties and Corbyn's policy is the only way to keep pretty much everyone on board so that more urgent problems can be addressed, I think he has played a tricky hand and a viciously hostile political media rather well, keeping Labour ahead in the GE polls and keeping the party largely, despite the ugly carping from the Blairite rump in the PLP, united.

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 21 Jun 2019, 08:46
by Powehi
Diamond Dog wrote:
Powehi wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
Well you'd be anti-Semitic if you were, apparently.

Suck on that.



Ah, abuse. First resort of inarticulate oafs the whole world over


No no no.

Abuse would be something like "Get fucked you cunting ignoramus".

What I posted was just throwing your own inanity back at you.


Indeed.

The tossting back of a sarky remark with no substance to back it up is,
of course, far easier than actually taking the trouble to argue the perfectly
valid rebuttals with which I responded to your post on the previous page.

All very much par for the DD course.

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 23 Jul 2019, 12:35
by Samoan
Doomed

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 23 Jul 2019, 13:17
by C
Diamond Dog wrote:
Powehi wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
Well you'd be anti-Semitic if you were, apparently.

Suck on that.



Ah, abuse. First resort of inarticulate oafs the whole world over


No no no.

Abuse would be something like "Get fucked you cunting ignoramus".

What I posted was just throwing your own inanity back at you.


:lol:

Good lad Pete

Good lad





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Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 26 Jul 2019, 13:27
by The Prof
I think this is actually real.

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(Not the caption - the hair arrangement)

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 26 Jul 2019, 13:45
by Powehi
The Prof wrote:I think this is actually real.

Image

(Not the caption - the hair arrangement)



Don't think much of the 2019/20 Chelsea strip

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 28 Jul 2019, 09:13
by Diamond Dog
Powehi wrote:Image



Diamond Dog wrote:
...a person who has absolutely no say in the running of Govt, nor is ever likely to for at least another 2 years or so...



And with laudable yet totally unworkable policies like a £10 per hour minimum wage for school leavers, plus swingeing tax increases on parents planning to leave their kids property/money they've already paid tax on, his chances of doing so are decreasing by the day.

Yomp is no guru of mine any more than Copehead is a guru of yours, btw, DD.


By the way - have you seen the potential costings for Johnson's 'campaign pledges'? Ranging between £35-75 billion...where do you think the money for that is coming from (if they ever get implemented)?

And Corbyn's policies are unworkable?

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 29 Jul 2019, 13:52
by The Prof
Diamond Dog wrote:where do you think the money for that is coming from?


The money is going to be borrowed as it's necessary to "undo all the damage that The Labour Party did" ©

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 29 Jul 2019, 15:44
by Diamond Dog
:)

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 31 Jul 2019, 13:35
by Copehead
plus swingeing tax increases on parents planning to leave their kids property/money they've already paid tax on,


It is a tax on the children getting unearned capital not a tax on the parents as the parents would be dead and not even the Labour Party can tax dead people. Yet.

Considering most of this money was unearned income from the property market bubble I don't really see the problem, speaking as someone who may make out like a bandit on this one sad day.

We really have become selfish, grasping little shit bags haven't we.

I blame Corbyn

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 16 Aug 2019, 13:58
by The Prof
Vote of 'no confidence'.
Corbyn in as caretaker PM of a national government.

Is it going to happen?

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 16 Aug 2019, 14:52
by Deebank
The Prof wrote:Vote of 'no confidence'.
Corbyn in as caretaker PM of a national government.

Is it going to happen?


Fingers crossed. Jo Swinson has already had to perform a humiliating climb down.
It is though all about the numbers. No point doing anything until all the ducks are lined up.

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 16 Aug 2019, 15:09
by The Prof
Has she? Good.
She was on the blower to Ken Clarke and Harriet Harman earlier on.
She's more right wing than a lot of Tories.

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 16 Aug 2019, 15:26
by Deebank
The Prof wrote:Has she? Good.
She was on the blower to Ken Clarke and Harriet Harman earlier on.
She's more right wing than a lot of Tories.


Well, maybe I was a bit hasty there...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/16/jo-swinson-lib-dems-clarke-harman-interim-pm-jeremy-corbyn-pressure

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 10:20
by Powehi
Tragic Grandpa's transparently desperate attempt to convince potential cross-bench supporters to install him as "caretaker PM" is the most laughable job application since Alan Shearer went on Match of the Day and put himself forward as a possible manager of the England football team.

Seemingly unaware of the famous dictum* that "history repeats itself first as tragedy and then as farce", Jezza seems to be trying to achieve both at once - but then, what would one expect of a man whose views on Europe change every two minutes.


*As John McDonnell's sock puppet, the academically challenged Jezza wouldn't have to go far to find out the origin of the quote.

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 10:50
by Powehi
Sorry, DP

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 11:47
by Deebank
History repeating itself you say?
:?
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Well, it worked out fine last time!

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 12:43
by The Prof
JQW wrote:Ken Clarke as acting Prime Minister to tide us through the mess once Article 50 gets withdrawn.


Could it be that BCB's own JQW was on the money 5 months ago?

Re: The next UK Prime minister

Posted: 17 Aug 2019, 12:59
by Deebank
The Prof wrote:
JQW wrote:Ken Clarke as acting Prime Minister to tide us through the mess once Article 50 gets withdrawn.


Could it be that BCB's own JQW was on the money 5 months ago?


He has less of any sort of mandate than Boris.
And he's for renegotiating the deal with no 2nd referendum.
Still anyone's better than Corbs eh, Jo?