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Language question.

Postby Robert » 28 Feb 2019, 13:27

I am writing an outlook for the future of an industry ( Dairy, but it doesn't matter)

I want to write ' only those with the 'uniquest of propositions'

I am aware ' the most unique' is probably better but somehow I have set my mind on using the former.

Is it completely wrong or can it be used?

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Re: Language question.

Postby Still Baron » 28 Feb 2019, 13:31

I think it’s completely wrong but what do I know.

And for that matter “most unique” is probably a logical impossibility, but that’s considerably ... less egregious.
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Re: Language question.

Postby Diamond Dog » 28 Feb 2019, 13:33

I would have said it cannot be used.

I can see uniquely or uniqueness are natural extensions of the word... but not uniquest. That should be most unique, as you state.

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Re: Language question.

Postby Polishgirl » 28 Feb 2019, 13:36

‘Unique ‘ is an absolute term- you don’t qualify it. Something is either unique or not- so it doesn’t make sense to talk about ‘quite unique ‘, ‘ very unique ‘ etc.
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Re: Language question.

Postby Robert » 28 Feb 2019, 13:52

The idea is to outline the difficulty for Dairy and Meat to compete with Plant & Flora based alternatives.

There will be several propositions, all unique in their own way. I want to stress that of those, only a few ( the most unique or uniquest)
stand a chance.

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Re: Language question.

Postby Rorschach » 28 Feb 2019, 15:17

Robert wrote:The idea is to outline the difficulty for Dairy and Meat to compete with Plant & Flora based alternatives.

There will be several propositions, all unique in their own way. I want to stress that of those, only a few ( the most unique or uniquest)
stand a chance.


Please don't use 'uniquest'!
It doesn't exist and I think the majority of native English speakers would find it at best, amusing and at worst, horrible.

As has been mentioned, 'unique' is an absolute and theoretically can't be qualified. I think though that pedants like me have lost that battle and 'more unique' and 'most unique' are becoming more and more common. I would still avoid it though because some people still consider it bad English and for them it will reduce the credibility of what you're writing.
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Re: Language question.

Postby Penk! » 28 Feb 2019, 15:22

It could maybe be argued that something is more/most unique if it has more unique qualities than something else... but perhaps a better way to say it would be something like ”only the most remarkable/outstanding/individual propositions” or ”only truly unique propositions”.

And it probably depends on context but you might be looking for ”proposals” rather than ”propositions”.
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Re: Language question.

Postby Darkness_Fish » 28 Feb 2019, 15:23

I would use "most distinct". But that might be because distinct & unique are synonyms in SQL.

And not distinctive, either, before anyone starts.
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Re: Language question.

Postby Robert » 28 Feb 2019, 15:34

PENK wrote:It could maybe be argued that something is more/most unique if it has more unique qualities than something else... but perhaps a better way to say it would be something like ”only the most remarkable/outstanding/individual propositions” or ”only truly unique propositions”.

And it probably depends on context but you might be looking for ”proposals” rather than ”propositions”.


Yes, I have thought about it before but often you read and hear companies using proposition when they talk about a new product launch, meaning not just the product itself but what it represents or, in this case, how it can match low Carbon footprints of the Plant/Flora competition, whilst also maintaining biodiversity, cutting on water use etc etc.

'Proposal' , in contrast, sounds a bit flatter as in: 'I'll sell you this product at X'.

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Re: Language question.

Postby Polishgirl » 28 Feb 2019, 16:11

Rorschach wrote:I think though that pedants like me have lost that battle and 'more unique' and 'most unique' are becoming more and more common.


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Re: Language question.

Postby Still Baron » 28 Feb 2019, 16:37

Polishgirl wrote:
Rorschach wrote:I think though that pedants like me have lost that battle and 'more unique' and 'most unique' are becoming more and more common.


PEDANTS OF THE WORLD UNITE!! UP WITH PEDANTRY!!! 8-)


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Re: Language question.

Postby Count Machuki » 28 Feb 2019, 16:41

Darkness_Fish wrote:I would use "most distinct". But that might be because distinct & unique are synonyms in SQL.

And not distinctive, either, before anyone starts.


"singular"

though that's kind of boring
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Re: Language question.

Postby C » 28 Feb 2019, 18:28

Rorschach wrote:Please don't use 'uniquest'!
It doesn't exist and I think the majority of native English speakers would find it at best, amusing and at worst, horrible.


Spot on Tym-lad

This word is proscribed by many, because unique implies that there is only one, and so a superlative form is logically inconsistent. It is typically used as hyperbole




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Re: Language question.

Postby Jimbo » 28 Feb 2019, 18:59

Unique, uniquer, uniquest. Hmm.

I teach my students one or two syllable adjectives usually take the "est" ending. (Blue, bluer, bluest. Happy, happier, happiest.). Three or more syllable adjectives need the help of "more" or "most" (beautiful, more beautiful, most beautiful.).

Why not be cheeky and write, "Each solution is unique but the "unique-est" is A." (Needle dragged across record sound.)

Nah. Try "distinct" or "interesting" or "cool" or go California style with "funky."
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Re: Language question.

Postby Hugh » 28 Feb 2019, 19:36

Could you say that only a few singular propositions stand a chance of survival. Or something similar.

EDIT: Count beat me to it.

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Re: Language question.

Postby The Modernist » 28 Feb 2019, 20:09

Well it's got me curious, I hope Robert publishes the whole thing on here when he's finished.
I want to know what happens to the proposition!

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Re: Language question.

Postby Deebank » 01 Mar 2019, 07:18

As others have said Unique is a word you are advised not to use as a journalist, unless something is actually unique - fingerprints perhaps.

Marketing people tend to deploy it at will in press releases etc (I can say this with impunity now as Sloop has slipped off to Coan’s Mogadon board) where diligent editors will remove it on sight.
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Re: Language question.

Postby Robert » 01 Mar 2019, 08:49

Thanks every one. I will settle for the 'only those with truly unique propositions'

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Re: Language question.

Postby Robert » 01 Mar 2019, 09:00

Rorschach wrote:
Robert wrote:The idea is to outline the difficulty for Dairy and Meat to compete with Plant & Flora based alternatives.

There will be several propositions, all unique in their own way. I want to stress that of those, only a few ( the most unique or uniquest)
stand a chance.


Please don't use 'uniquest'!
It doesn't exist and I think the majority of native English speakers would find it at best, amusing and at worst, horrible.

As has been mentioned, 'unique' is an absolute and theoretically can't be qualified. I think though that pedants like me have lost that battle and 'more unique' and 'most unique' are becoming more and more common. I would still avoid it though because some people still consider it bad English and for them it will reduce the credibility of what you're writing.


The case is that there are different producers. Some make Cheese, some Infant Formula and some specialised protein products.
Each product group has several producers and they all will want to distinguish their product.

In a group of 5 cheese producers, there will be 5 propositions that have unique features ( that may very well differ from eachother).

The uniqueness is measured by the success of the producer to compete. Couldn't you say then that the most successful proposition apparently had the most unique features?

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Re: Language question.

Postby Robert » 01 Mar 2019, 09:07

The Modernist wrote:Well it's got me curious, I hope Robert publishes the whole thing on here when he's finished.
I want to know what happens to the proposition!


:lol:

We could start a thread about the future of food production instead. But even though everyone will be affected by it, I fear it won't get much traction.