Democrat candidates so far. . .

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Sneelock » 02 Nov 2019, 01:53

Tucker did as much to silence critics of the w. Admin as any single media personality. He only loves Tulsi now because he is the Weekly World News and she is Bat-Boy

He's in the Gonzo News business and it looks to me like Tulsi is too.

Its FUN to be Bat-Boy.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Jimbo » 02 Nov 2019, 02:13

Tulsi will talk to whichever messenger carries her message. Here is a clip from a Tulsi-penned WSJ op-ed.

I Can Defeat Trump and the Clinton Doctrine

This isn’t a petty “spat” between Mrs. Clinton and me. It’s a serious contrast in views about the choice voters face as they decide which Democratic candidate is best equipped to defeat President Trump. Mrs. Clinton already lost to Mr. Trump once. Why would Democrats think a Hillary 2.0 candidate would result in anything different?

Whether Mrs. Clinton’s name is on the ballot or not, her foreign policy will be, as many of the Democratic candidates adhere to her doctrine of acting as the world’s police, using the tools of war to overthrow governments we don’t like, wasting taxpayer dollars, costing American lives, causing suffering and destruction abroad, and undermining America’s security.

A Gabbard presidency would mean the end of trying to police the world, no more overthrowing governments, an end to the new Cold War and nuclear arms race, and redirecting our resources to urgent needs at home. That doesn’t mean I’m an isolationist. I will lead with a robust, positive foreign policy based on diplomacy and cooperation rather than confrontation and conflict. Those who follow the Bush-Clinton doctrine believe the only way to interact with other nations is by bombing them or starving them with draconian sanctions.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Sneelock » 02 Nov 2019, 02:39

Because she says so?
Cult of personality, man.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Jimbo » 03 Nov 2019, 09:40

We were told that the US must intervene in Syria because the Syrian government was massacring its people. We were told that the US must intervene in Syria in order to promote freedom and democracy in the Middle East. We were told that the US must intervene in Syria because Assad used chemical weapons. We were told that the US must occupy Syria to fight ISIS. We were told that the US must continue to occupy Syria to counter Iranian influence. We were told the US must continue to occupy Syria to protect the Kurds. Now the US must continue to occupy Syria because of oil.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/us-n ... 6a06303d20

And I'm telling you we need Tulsi Gabbard to be the next US President.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Sneelock » 04 Nov 2019, 16:33

yeah, America needs to relive TRUMP vs. Clinton.
I doubt I speak for myself when I say no fuckin' way. Republicans would be popping champagne corks if that happened.

even if they do this "we need a sure thing" well, that just aint going to fly. Biden was a sure thing and now he's walking around with a toilet seat around his neck. if HRC enters the fray then things that have been politely ignored will be brought up & not just vote on Iraq type stuff. I'm talking about those world famous emails where her campaign actually took steps to help TRUMP win the primary thinking that he couldn't possibly win.

mostly, this is a Deju-Vu nobody wants to have. I'd rather hear Jimbo endorse Tulsi another 87 times.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Sneelock » 04 Nov 2019, 16:50

I'm telling you, I really think Bernie is the guy.
I've been getting these "who do you support in 2020" robo-calls that are clearly from pro-TRUMP people.
they ask several leading questions about how much I support TRUMP then ask, almost as an afterthought if I support Elizabeth Warren. THEN, at the very end do I support another Democrat.

it seems to me that the TRUMP people feel like Joe is a done deal. if they could get their wish right now (leaving Hillary aside for the moment) I think they'd like to run against Warren. They are already running against "socialism" and they've already road tested all that "big phony/Pochohantas" crap.
she's pulling good numbers right now but it's not unusual for some ebb and flo with these things.

Bernie has not been going up and down. His support has been pretty goddam steady. All my Centrist Dem voting buddies don't want to hear me say it but I really think if anybody can squash TRUMP the way he needs to be squashed - it's Bernie. look at how he treated his heart attack. "yeah, I'm old!" he could have had another heart attack when he gave that speech and people would still be showing up at his rallies.

I think TRUMP wants to macho out on a woman again. I like Warren but I just don't think she has the advantage that Sanders has. Sanders has passed a lot of people's bullshit detector test already. with an incumbent running on bullshit this might be the only clear advantage we have.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Jimbo » 05 Nov 2019, 03:32

Below is a snippet from what may be Caitlin's best essay. Please don't dismiss her writings because you think I'm a kook. She is like Mike Royko or Jack Anderson or whomever else you thought was the best commentator back in the day.

They get people debating whether Tulsi Gabbard is a dangerous lunatic, a Russian asset, a Republican asset gearing up for a third party run, or just a harmless Democratic Party crackpot, rather than discussing the fact that her foreign policy would have been considered perfectly normal prior to 9/11.

They get people debating whether Bernie Sanders is electable or too radical, rather than discussing what it says about the status quo that his extremely modest proposals which every other major country already implements are treated as something outlandish in the United States.

They get people debating whether Jeremy Corbyn has done enough to address the Labour antisemitism crisis, rather than whether that “crisis” ever existed at all outside of the imaginations of establishment smear merchants.

They get people debating whether Joe Biden or Elizabeth Warren would win against Trump, rather than whether either of those establishment lackeys is a worthy nominee.


https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/the- ... fff49f3846
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Sneelock » 07 Nov 2019, 23:08

make room for one more!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/07/us/p ... -2020.html
oh boy! another old, rich white guy!
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Hightea » 08 Nov 2019, 14:53

Sneelock wrote:make room for one more!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/07/us/p ... -2020.html
oh boy! another old, rich white guy!


I can see the republicans complaining now.
What a rich business man from NY we don't want that. oops.

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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Sneelock » 08 Nov 2019, 16:45

it's so weird.
on the one hand we've got the guys with the slide rules telling us the Biden is the only one who can beat TRUMP in the electoral college.
on the other hand, Bloomberg must see Biden as weak and eager to take advantage of that "centrist" mantle that Hillary is unsuccessfully courting these last couple of days.

so, which is it? is Biden really "our only hope" or is it really "centrist"?
well, I don't buy it. for all the effort to report Warren's "price tag" in a "sticker shock" fashion - I really think that Health Care Reform is shaping up as the big issue to get Dems out to vote.Bloomberg is as inflexible in the matter as Hillary.

sometimes there's a zeitgeist & it catches us by surprise. it happened with Gay Marriage - who would have guessed that as many people supported it as did when Biden & Obama started talking about it really seriously? I think something similar is happening around this issue. maybe I'm wrong. maybe we do need to pitch things to the hosts of "The View" to see what gets thumbs up or down. on the other hand, maybe people are ready for some serious change on an issue that affects us all?
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Jimbo » 13 Nov 2019, 01:52

If beating Trump is your goal, Tulsi is the only one. Come on, close your eyes and imagine a Trump-Biden/Warren/Budijije debate. Trump would make mincemeat of them. Bernie might be able to hold Trump back. But if, besides beating Trump, your goal is Bernie's socialistic benefits vs Gabbards anti-war stance, I prefer anti war. A Sanders-Gabbard ticket would surely beat Trump.

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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Sneelock » 13 Nov 2019, 03:16

Why in the world do you think that? Where are the hoardes of Tulsi fans? Bernie is really gaining steam in New Hampshire. He is out polling Warren, Biden and everybody else. Tulsi is gaining steam on message boards.

Doesnt "the war on terror," count as a war? Tulsi certainly doesnt seem to have a lot of problems with that!
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Jimbo » 13 Nov 2019, 06:58

Tulsi's up to no. four in NH and she's made the next debate. I hear you about crowd size and I will admit to seeing a recent whole roomful of her supporters. But online support means a lot these days. She's got the 911 Truth vote locked up I'd say. Must be hundreds of us. We'll have to leave our basements to actually vote so ...
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Sneelock » 13 Nov 2019, 16:20

how about if she courts the "Bigfoot" and "Moonlanding Hoax" vote?
could be a landslide!
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Postby Count Machuki » 13 Nov 2019, 18:15

Sneelock wrote:how about if she courts the "Bigfoot" and "Moonlanding Hoax" vote?
could be a landslide!


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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Jimbo » 13 Nov 2019, 20:21

Why Tulsi is running against Bernie and she lays out her foreign policy.

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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Sneelock » 14 Nov 2019, 20:30

Another Democrat enters the Race. Hey look, it's Mitt Romney!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/deval-patr ... ent-today/
just kidding... sort of.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Jimbo » 17 Nov 2019, 05:04

While campaigning for the Democratic Party’s presidential nomination this year, former Senator and Vice President Joseph Biden has touted the crucial role he played in designing US mega-development and drug war campaigns that transformed the socio-political landscape of large swaths of Latin America.....But Biden’s plan for Colombia has contributed directly to the country’s transformation into a hyper-militarized bastion of right-wing rule, enhancing the power and presence of the notoriously brutal armed forces while failing miserably in its anti-narcotic and reformist objectives..... “So $750 million US taxpayer dollars that were allocated to supposedly address child migration are actually making things worse,” Pine added. “It started with unaccompanied minors and now you have children in cages.


https://thegrayzone.com/2019/07/28/bide ... migration/

This shit didn't necessarily start with Trump.

Go with Joe. Biden 2020!
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Sneelock » 17 Nov 2019, 23:30

Biden tries to clear up his current stance on Marijuana.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomangell/ ... a0818f130d
Leaving me more confused than ever about exactly what that stance is.
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