Democrat candidates so far. . .

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Sneelock » 15 Dec 2018, 01:26

He raised a LOT of money. So did Bernie. That makes ‘em both worth taking seriously.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby $P.Muff$ » 15 Dec 2018, 01:28

The AP is reporting that there have been talks about Beto running as Biden's VP, but their sources are anonymous and it seems a tad early for that discussion to me.

Abrams obviously has some clout in the south.

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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Sneelock » 15 Dec 2018, 01:32

If the Dems go with Biden they’d better sweeten the pot with something else. He let Hillary have his brass ring. He traded away his V.P. sloppy seconds status as far as I’m concerned. you snooze you lose. He wants my vote in the primary? He’s gonna have to earn it.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby $P.Muff$ » 15 Dec 2018, 01:56

I'd never vote for him in the primary. Revisiting his treatment of Anita Hill recently was rather disturbing.

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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby The Prof » 15 Dec 2018, 10:04

I've read a bit about Beto O'Rourke and that he used to be in a punk band with the singer of At the Drive-In.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby mentalist (slight return) » 16 Dec 2018, 23:11

Here's Nate Silver tiered Democrat candidates ratings:

Tier 1a: Biden, Beto
Tier 1b: Bernie, Klobuchar, Harris
Tier 1c: Warren, Booker
Tier 2: Gillibrand, Brown, Hickenlooper, Castro
Tier 3: [everyone else]


So a Joltin' Joe/Beto ticket it is. Klobuchar and Brown sound like interesting candidates.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby $P.Muff$ » 17 Dec 2018, 15:31

Brown didn't do very well in that Iowa poll. In a country as diverse as the US, it sure would be nice not to be expected to take our cues from Iowa.

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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 17 Dec 2018, 16:27

The actual nominee will be whomever wins South Carolina.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby sloopjohnc » 17 Dec 2018, 17:40

Wille Brown, the former SF mayor and state speaker - probably the most powerful California politician during his tenure, writes a Sunday column in the Chronicle each week.

He highly doubted O'Rourke's chances of running and winning the Democratic nomination when he couldn't even win a senate seat. I thought the same thing too.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 18 Dec 2018, 06:38

That’s a bad argument.

No Democrat has won Texas in a Presidential general election since Carter. So the fact that Beto ran a statewide campaign that kept him within 3% points would indicate that he’s a pretty strong candidate.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Jimbo » 18 Dec 2018, 07:04

sloopjohnc wrote:Wille Brown, the former SF mayor and state speaker ...


Notable in my circles as the guy who was warned not to fly on 9/11.

http://www.911myths.com/html/willie_brown.html
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby $P.Muff$ » 18 Dec 2018, 10:44

Willie Brown doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who is in touch with the average American.

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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Jimbo » 18 Dec 2018, 17:14

Tulsi Gabbard says she is running. Now I'm excited.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Jimbo » 19 Dec 2018, 21:21

What Republican started this thread? It should be "Democratic candidates so far."

And Tulsi sez she's in the race. Woo hoo!
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby bobzilla77 » 19 Dec 2018, 21:43

I feel the need to point out that, despite his Spanish nickname, Mr. ORourke is not actually Latino.

I like him okay but it's not shocking that a Texas Dem is relatively to the right of his party.

I tend to think that what we need now is true contrast and vision. A platform that can get lots of people excited.

Dems take minority votes for granted and ok, maybe there's not much of chance of those people voting Republican. But there is a good chance of them just not voting at all if they don't feel engaged. Look what happened when they got behind Obama. Ignore those people at your peril.

Dems also take the youth vote for granted. But look how easily the youth were persuaded that HRC was no different from Trump, corrupt and only out to enrich herself. If you can get them excited, they turn out .
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Sneelock » 19 Dec 2018, 22:34

I think all this that's coming out about how social media targeted those voters might be even worse next time out.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Jimbo » 20 Dec 2018, 05:17

Sneelock Saves Xmas wrote:I think all this that's coming out about how social media targeted those voters might be even worse next time out.


In spades, so we must be skeptical of everything and choose news sources wisely. Sounds weird coming from a conspiracy guy but that is what we do. We like to examine the minutia. I want to see the gore, the hard truths, in order to know we are not being fooled. Until and unless the mainstream media swear off supporting national, political and corporate agendas, stalwarts like the NYT remain untrustworthy information outlets. Be skeptical and follow journalists who are skeptics too. Above all, don't trust government and corporate agencies and whose job it is to weed out "fake news" for you like this Integrity Initiative in UK and god knows what spying branches of the US government there are. We can outsmart the bots and AI overlords if we think more critically.

That's why I will support Tulsi. Not that she won't probably break my heart but skeptics whom I follow like Jimmy Dore and the TYT gang (sorta) have talked with her and she seems like a reasonable, peace loving, jaw-jaw, socialistic, Bernie-ish kind of candidate. And if she has a shot I will watch carefully for signs she is ain't being bought. If so - call me a purist - I will not support her any longer. For now she's the one to watch, the one to beat.
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 20 Dec 2018, 16:29

Jimbo wrote:so we must be skeptical of everything and choose news sources wisely.

examine the minutiae

I want to see the gore


the hard truths,


stalwarts like the NYT remain untrustworthy information outlets.


Above all, don't trust government and corporate agencies and whose job it is to weed out "fake news" for you


Integrity Initiative


We can outsmart the bots and AI overlords


think more critically
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Tulsi


Jimmy Dore


the TYT gang


(sorta)


reasonable, peace loving, jaw-jaw, socialistic


Bernie-ish


call me a purist


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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Sneelock » 24 Dec 2018, 20:10

the DNC announces a dozen debates. the first is just 6 months from now!
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Re: Democrat candidates so far. . .

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 24 Dec 2018, 21:26

You just KNOW that Hillary Clinton is gonna get herself named football commissioner and schedule football games to compete with all of them!
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