Have you got a hard on for New York

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Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby GoogaMooga » 17 Nov 2018, 17:27

I used to think New York City was the ultimate city, the coolest place on Earth. Having only spent 24 hours there in 1975, I have paradoxically spent an inordinate amount of time reading articles about the Big Apple, watching docs, studying photos, making pop culture connections, dreaming of a life there. My main interests are inextricably connected with that place: music, comics, movies, cult fiction. It used to be a concentration of all that mattered to me in life. And I have not been alone in that. Was it Alfred Hitchcock who had memorized the timetable of the subway over there, without ever having set foot in that city. But with the degeneration of pop culture, the arrival of the internet, the changes in the old ethnic neighborhoods, so much is lost. From the seediness of 42nd Street and the smoke-filled jazz clubs of 52nd Street, to Times Square, the Village, the Chelsea Hotel, CBGB's, the megastores, the repertory theaters, not much left of what made that city interesting. People lament the death of the high street in smaller towns, but even a busy metropolis like New York has suffered. With everything crammed into the internet and available at the click of a mouse, it almost seems pointless to visit, or indeed live in a big city anymore. That goes for New York, and all the great cities.

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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby Minnie Mincepie » 17 Nov 2018, 19:02

I’m not really sure how much I can say to this except that if you are seriously wondering what the point of visiting NY is because these days ‘everything is available online’ then it’s probably best that you stay where you are and don’t worry about it.
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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby GoogaMooga » 17 Nov 2018, 19:25

Minnie Cheddars wrote:I’m not really sure how much I can say to this except that if you are seriously wondering what the point of visiting NY is because these days ‘everything is available online’ then it’s probably best that you stay where you are and don’t worry about it.


Well, in my case I had already had the gosh wow experience in 1975. So it would be a return. I blame the internet and the decline of pop culture, but I am admittedly also a bit jaded from travel.
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Postby Dor-Relip Hotels and Bathings » 17 Nov 2018, 19:46

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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby Minnie Mincepie » 17 Nov 2018, 19:54

GoogaMooga wrote:
Minnie Cheddars wrote:I’m not really sure how much I can say to this except that if you are seriously wondering what the point of visiting NY is because these days ‘everything is available online’ then it’s probably best that you stay where you are and don’t worry about it.


Well, in my case I had already had the gosh wow experience in 1975. So it would be a return. I blame the internet and the decline of pop culture, but I am admittedly also a bit jaded from travel.


You blame the internet and decline of pop culture for what?
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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby Hightea » 17 Nov 2018, 19:57

While I agree with some of what your saying and yes I've got to admit until about 10 years ago we would just go into the city for the day and have endless things to do and see. Now a lot of my favorite things aren't there anymore and while I still am a foodie and do drink a little I'm not the big food and drink junkie I was. I still enjoy the city and it still is very interesting and pretty much the center of my universe its not what it once was.

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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby GoogaMooga » 17 Nov 2018, 20:03

Earl E. Eel wrote:When did you last leave Denmark?


December 2015, to London, to see Ronnie Spector at the Barbican. Because of my condition, I can't travel far anymore, but it's not sour grapes.
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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby GoogaMooga » 17 Nov 2018, 20:04

Minnie Cheddars wrote:
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Minnie Cheddars wrote:I’m not really sure how much I can say to this except that if you are seriously wondering what the point of visiting NY is because these days ‘everything is available online’ then it’s probably best that you stay where you are and don’t worry about it.


Well, in my case I had already had the gosh wow experience in 1975. So it would be a return. I blame the internet and the decline of pop culture, but I am admittedly also a bit jaded from travel.


You blame the internet and decline of pop culture for what?


Fo my losing interest in big city life.
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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby Toby » 17 Nov 2018, 20:10

I think there is an iota of truth in what GM says - so many big cities are soulless pits. Is NYC anywhere near the same as it was in the 70s and 80s? Definitely not. Whether it's "better" is difficult to articulate - I imagine it's probably a lot cleaner and safer than it was, but the "life" has been sucked out of it by gentrification. London is going the same way.

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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby Minnie Mincepie » 17 Nov 2018, 20:38

I am not even for a minute disputing that cities change and have changed. That's their nature. Everywhere in the world changes.

However this:

GoogaMooga wrote:it almost seems pointless to visit, or indeed live in a big city anymore. That goes for New York, and all the great cities.




is such willfully asinine nonsense that it does nobody any favours to nod along to.
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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby GoogaMooga » 17 Nov 2018, 20:44

Minnie Cheddars wrote:I am not even for a minute disputing that cities change and have changed. That's their nature. Everywhere in the world changes.

However this:

GoogaMooga wrote:it almost seems pointless to visit, or indeed live in a big city anymore. That goes for New York, and all the great cities.




is such willfully asinine nonsense that it does nobody any favours to nod along to.


It can be contested, but it all depends on where you are coming from, what you are looking for. If you are a nostalgic, steeped in pop culture, like I am, then the big cities have lost much of their allure. If you like sightseeing, restos, museums, there is still a lot to enjoy.
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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby Count Machuki » 17 Nov 2018, 20:58

What a lot of nonsense
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Postby Dor-Relip Hotels and Bathings » 17 Nov 2018, 21:04

Pure attention seeking, as ever.
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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby GoogaMooga » 17 Nov 2018, 22:28

At least I have argued my case. And it was written from a personal vantage point. Not making claims for everyone, clearly a lot of people enjoy the big cities as they are today.
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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby Lord Rother » 17 Nov 2018, 22:43

Minnie Cheddars wrote:I am not even for a minute disputing that cities change and have changed. That's their nature. Everywhere in the world changes.

However this:

GoogaMooga wrote:it almost seems pointless to visit, or indeed live in a big city anymore. That goes for New York, and all the great cities.




is such willfully asinine nonsense that it does nobody any favours to nod along to.


Interesting.

Do you believe he has made up his perspective for effect?

Or do you just not accept that his condition is likely to result in a different perspective to yours?

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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby Minnie Mincepie » 17 Nov 2018, 23:26

Lord Rother wrote:
Minnie Cheddars wrote:I am not even for a minute disputing that cities change and have changed. That's their nature. Everywhere in the world changes.

However this:

GoogaMooga wrote:it almost seems pointless to visit, or indeed live in a big city anymore. That goes for New York, and all the great cities.




is such willfully asinine nonsense that it does nobody any favours to nod along to.




Interesting.

Do you believe he has made up his perspective for effect?

Or do you just not accept that his condition is likely to result in a different perspective to yours?


Are you just asking me, or does the question apply to everyone else that said what I did?
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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby Ranking Ted » 17 Nov 2018, 23:57

I don’t see what GM’s condition has to do with the hypothesis - something to do with the internet meaning that cities are no longer worth living in or visiting. And the only possible response to that is the one Minnie or Count M have given.

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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby sloopjohnc » 18 Nov 2018, 00:36

Toby wrote:I think there is an iota of truth in what GM says - so many big cities are soulless pits. Is NYC anywhere near the same as it was in the 70s and 80s? Definitely not. Whether it's "better" is difficult to articulate - I imagine it's probably a lot cleaner and safer than it was, but the "life" has been sucked out of it by gentrification. London is going the same way.


Many people feel the same about San Francisco. It was kind of a rite of passage to live there for young people, myself included. I did it, had my car broken into numerous times, and was done.

I worked there for two years three years ago and coming into the city on the train was still a little exciting, but now I avoid the place.
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Re: Have you got a hard on for New York

Postby Lord Rother » 18 Nov 2018, 01:05

Ranking Ted wrote:I don’t see what GM’s condition has to do with the hypothesis - something to do with the internet meaning that cities are no longer worth living in or visiting. And the only possible response to that is the one Minnie or Count M have given.


Well there’s a surprise, of course you don’t.