Brexit Countdown

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Robert » 29 Nov 2018, 14:49

$P.Muff$ wrote:
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Utter nonsense as usual. Workers create wealth. They are people. Not right. Not left.


Who employs the workers?


Experts in exploitation, typically.

Or as they're commonly referred to nowadays: entrepreneurs.


How are things back in the 19th century then?

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby $P.Muff$ » 29 Nov 2018, 14:56

The butler has developed a taste for the sherry, and the maid can't be bothered to dust the sideboard.

Good help is so hard to find.

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Toby » 29 Nov 2018, 15:09

I forgot that it was pointless discussing things with your hardened left position. Back on ignore.

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Jeemo » 29 Nov 2018, 17:13

Teresa May came up to Scotland yesterday. Spent a few hours at a leather factory, then had a press conference at which the nationalist supporting newspaper was denied entry because "there wasnt enough room" not the first time thats happened.
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Toby » 30 Nov 2018, 12:22

Latest YouGov poll puts Corbyn 5% behind May. I know all the guff about opinion polls before our resident failed psephologist comes on, but come the fuck on.

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Diamond Dog » 30 Nov 2018, 15:03

Toby wrote:Latest YouGov poll puts Corbyn 5% behind May. I know all the guff about opinion polls before our resident failed psephologist comes on, but come the fuck on.


For info:

YouGov was founded in the UK in May 2000 by Stephan Shakespeare and Nadhim Zahawi. Roger Parry has been YouGov's Chairman since 2007

Shakespeare, the firm's CEO, once stood as a Conservative Party candidate for Colchester; he was also a Conservative Party pollster.

Co-founder Nadhim Zahawi has been the Conservative Party Member of Parliament for Stratford-on-Avon since 2010, after the retirement of previous MP John Maples. He joined the Conservative government in 2010.

Roger Parry was commissioned in 2009 by the Conservative Party to write a report on the future of local media. His proposals on local TV were subsequently adopted as Government policy by Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt.


And the moral of this tale, kiddies, is "Check your sources".
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby yomptepi » 30 Nov 2018, 15:09

I am quite sure Corbyn has a least a 200% lead at this point. Copehead will confirm this.
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Toby » 30 Nov 2018, 15:09

If a YouGov poll put Corbyn in the lead would you believe it?

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby The Prof » 30 Nov 2018, 15:17

He could become PM without a General Election. If the government loses a vote of no confidence and some other things come into play.

you can read about it here

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-co ... s-11566304

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby caramba » 30 Nov 2018, 15:19

Diamond Dog wrote:
Toby wrote:Latest YouGov poll puts Corbyn 5% behind May. I know all the guff about opinion polls before our resident failed psephologist comes on, but come the fuck on.


For info:

YouGov was founded in the UK in May 2000 by Stephan Shakespeare and Nadhim Zahawi. Roger Parry has been YouGov's Chairman since 2007

Shakespeare, the firm's CEO, once stood as a Conservative Party candidate for Colchester; he was also a Conservative Party pollster.

Co-founder Nadhim Zahawi has been the Conservative Party Member of Parliament for Stratford-on-Avon since 2010, after the retirement of previous MP John Maples. He joined the Conservative government in 2010.

Roger Parry was commissioned in 2009 by the Conservative Party to write a report on the future of local media. His proposals on local TV were subsequently adopted as Government policy by Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt.


And the moral of this tale, kiddies, is "Check your sources".


The moral of the story is actually don't put too much faith in opinion polls.

As the past four or five major votes in the UK and/or US have clearly demonstrated, the only canvas of voters that's ever remotely accurate is the exit poll.

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Diamond Dog » 30 Nov 2018, 15:31

Toby wrote:If a YouGov poll put Corbyn in the lead would you believe it?


No I would not.

YouGov has always been a particularly servile forum for the Tories.

Do you honestly believe that 5% of the country supports May, let alone a 5% majority?

Come the fuck on.
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Goat Boy » 30 Nov 2018, 15:40

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Diamond Dog » 03 Dec 2018, 06:11

The Govt don't want to releases the full legal advice they were given around the Brexit deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46419790
Attorney General Geoffrey Cox will make a statement about it on Monday.

He is set to publish a reduced version of the legal advice - despite calls from MPs from all parties to publish a full version

Mr Cox told ministers in a letter the only way out of the Northern Irish "backstop" agreement would be to sign a new trade deal, a process which could take years.

Brexit-supporting MPs say it could mean an open-ended commitment for the UK, forcing it to remain in the EU's customs union while details of the deal are being worked out.

Downing Street has not responded to claims by the Daily Telegraph that a letter from Mrs May's chief Brexit adviser, Olly Robbins, warned her it was a "bad outcome" with no legal "guarantee" Britain would be able to exit the mechanism.


And

Labour is planning to join forces with other parties, including the DUP, who keep Mrs May in power, to initiate contempt of Parliament proceedings unless the government backs down.

Shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer told Sky News: "If they don't produce [the advice] tomorrow (Monday) then we will start contempt proceedings. This will be a collision course between the government and Parliament."


What an incredible mess this whole sorry farrago has become.
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Robert » 03 Dec 2018, 12:03

If all this seems confusing, it’s because it is. There is no longer any logic or clear pattern to be discerned in the politics of Brexit. But however it comes about, assuming the deal is defeated, whether on first or second attempt, it’s extremely unlikely that May herself could pivot to proposing Norway +, any more than she could do an about turn on having a referendum, having set herself so unequivocally against both - although nothing can be ruled out.

Nor is it easy to see how she could get her deal through by calling for a General Election, since it would require a large number of sitting MPs to stand on a manifesto commitment to a deal which they had just voted down in parliament. May’s deal may not be, as she says, the only deal there is; but it is surely the only deal that she can do. So the most likely outcome to my mind is that she would have to resign.

Then what? It wouldn’t in itself lead to the Norway + 'plan B', for who would be the Tory leader to deliver it? It is rumoured that Michael Gove and Amber Rudd are coming to support this model, but would the Tory party membership ever elect a leader on such a platform? But if they elect a hard Brexiter as leader, he or she would be unable to get such a Brexit (even if there were time to re-negotiate it, which there isn’t, and a willingness to do so on the EU side, which there isn’t) through Parliament. So that means another election, with an unknown outcome – and no guarantee that the Article 50 clock would be stopped by the EU for a leadership contest and/or a General Election anyway.

In short, there is no obvious way if May’s deal is voted down that the Tory party can deliver any kind of Brexit and avoid a full-blown crisis.




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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Diamond Dog » 03 Dec 2018, 21:52

:lol:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46435128

The UK government may have broken Parliamentary rules by not publishing Brexit legal advice, the Commons Speaker has said.

John Bercow said "there is an arguable case" that a contempt of Parliament has been committed.

It means MPs will debate and vote on Tuesday on whether or not to refer the case to the Standards Committee.
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Dor-Relip Hotels and Bathings » 04 Dec 2018, 15:16

So what’s all this about Parliamentary rights trumping the law of the land?
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Diamond Dog » 04 Dec 2018, 17:10

SWIMMING POOL HARRINGTON wrote:So what’s all this about Parliamentary rights trumping the law of the land?


You'd need to be a touch more specific.
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby caramba » 05 Dec 2018, 09:06

David Cameron's idiotic referendum really is the gift that goes on giving, isn't it?

With the Maybot still in office if no longer possessing any real power over the Brexit process after yesterday, the no deal scenario would seem to have been nullified.

The vote next week now seems to be coming down to a straight choice between the half-arsed deal Mrs Strong and Stable has managed to extract from the EU and parliament's following up on the go ahead to unilaterally reverse Article 50 and halt Brexit.

Be interesting to see how many of the MPs who've spent the last two and a half years parroting about "how the people have spoken" will be willing to piss off their constituents and risk losing their seats by voting down May and effectively opening the way to cancel Brexit altogether.

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Diamond Dog » 05 Dec 2018, 09:14

It doesn't necessarily follow that a no vote means no Brexit - it could be 'another referendum'.
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby caramba » 05 Dec 2018, 09:31

Diamond Dog wrote:It doesn't necessarily follow that a no vote means no Brexit - it could be 'another referendum'.


Possibly, but given the anger of the leavers whose votes in the last referendum were to be effectively ignored should a second* referendum take place, would MPs be prepared to risk it?

Like the Chinese curse says, "interesting times" and all that....


*actually third if we count the one in 1975