Brexit Countdown

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby yomptepi » 25 Sep 2018, 17:38

The Modernist wrote:
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The idea that Starmer’s speech was not agreed by Corbyn and Macdonnell is risible even by your standards. The Labour leadership is doing what it has done for 2 years, it is edging along behind the prevailing public opinion.


I don't know about "edging" this seems more like hedging.. hedging one's bets. I understand the dilemma they're in, but they can't afford to look inconsistent, they're going to have to make a clear decision on this in the next few days.


Hang on G. Is your brain turning to mush? Surely you cannot be disagreeing with Copey? He is a scientist you know...
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Copehead » 25 Sep 2018, 19:57

The Modernist wrote:
Copehead wrote:
The idea that Starmer’s speech was not agreed by Corbyn and Macdonnell is risible even by your standards. The Labour leadership is doing what it has done for 2 years, it is edging along behind the prevailing public opinion.


I don't know about "edging" this seems more like hedging.. hedging one's bets. I understand the dilemma they're in, but they can't afford to look inconsistent, they're going to have to make a clear decision on this in the next few days.


Making a clear decision is pointless if you have no power to implement it, they will do what they always have done, recognise the vote, rule nothing in or out and call for an immediate election when they can put forward their own plan, which is BINO, basically
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby The Modernist » 26 Sep 2018, 14:02

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Making a clear decision is pointless if you have no power to implement it


What's the point of opposition parties formulating any policies then?

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby The Prof » 26 Sep 2018, 14:48

So people can vote for what they want to see implemented?

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby The Modernist » 26 Sep 2018, 14:50

The Prof wrote:So people can vote for what they want to see implemented?


I would have thought so! :)

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby yomptepi » 26 Sep 2018, 16:31

A general strike it is then!!!
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Copehead » 26 Sep 2018, 21:22

yomptepi wrote:A general strike it is then!!!


I thought you’d retired
Is the wife ok with you striking?
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby yomptepi » 27 Sep 2018, 00:37

Copehead wrote:
yomptepi wrote:A general strike it is then!!!


I thought you’d retired
Is the wife ok with you striking?


You know as well as I do that it would only be the public sector striking. The rest of the real working population cannot afford such luxuries, and isn't Union membership in Britain 80% or more public sector workers? So even if I did work, I would n't be able to strike...
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby John aka Josh » 27 Sep 2018, 22:35

yomptepi wrote:
Copehead wrote:
yomptepi wrote:A general strike it is then!!!


I thought you’d retired
Is the wife ok with you striking?


You know as well as I do that it would only be the public sector striking. The rest of the real working population cannot afford such luxuries, and isn't Union membership in Britain 80% or more public sector workers? So even if I did work, I would n't be able to strike...






What principle was it that stopped you from joining the gravy train of the public sector?
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby yomptepi » 28 Sep 2018, 00:03

John aka Josh wrote:
yomptepi wrote:
Copehead wrote:
I thought you’d retired
Is the wife ok with you striking?


You know as well as I do that it would only be the public sector striking. The rest of the real working population cannot afford such luxuries, and isn't Union membership in Britain 80% or more public sector workers? So even if I did work, I would n't be able to strike...






What principle was it that stopped you from joining the gravy train of the public sector?


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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Copehead » 28 Sep 2018, 19:09

yomptepi wrote:
John aka Josh wrote:
yomptepi wrote:
You know as well as I do that it would only be the public sector striking. The rest of the real working population cannot afford such luxuries, and isn't Union membership in Britain 80% or more public sector workers? So even if I did work, I would n't be able to strike...






What principle was it that stopped you from joining the gravy train of the public sector?


I have a work ethic.


At work you're thick?

Sorry my hearing is atrocious.
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby yomptepi » 28 Sep 2018, 19:28

Copehead wrote:
yomptepi wrote:
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What principle was it that stopped you from joining the gravy train of the public sector?


I have a work ethic.


At work you're thick?

Sorry my hearing is atrocious.


A bit like your understanding of politics.
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby John aka Josh » 28 Sep 2018, 20:33

yomptepi wrote:
John aka Josh wrote:
yomptepi wrote:
You know as well as I do that it would only be the public sector striking. The rest of the real working population cannot afford such luxuries, and isn't Union membership in Britain 80% or more public sector workers? So even if I did work, I would n't be able to strike...






What principle was it that stopped you from joining the gravy train of the public sector?


I have a work ethic.





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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Robert » 08 Oct 2018, 19:32



:shock: :lol:

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby yomptepi » 08 Oct 2018, 23:50

Robert wrote:

:shock: :lol:


Nobody really noticed. He always that pissed.
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Robert » 09 Oct 2018, 12:23

yomptepi wrote:
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:shock: :lol:


Nobody really noticed. He always that pissed.



The big round of applause he gets would suggest otherwise though.

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby yomptepi » 09 Oct 2018, 12:24

Robert wrote:
yomptepi wrote:
Robert wrote:

:shock: :lol:


Nobody really noticed. He always that pissed.



The big round of applause he gets would suggest otherwise though.


What would you expect when he is playing to a home crowd? They are all an absolute disgrace. For shame.
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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Robert » 16 Oct 2018, 10:21

Brussels is giving Britain a day to settle its position on Brexit before deciding how to respond to Prime Minister Theresa May’s dramatic move to “disengage” from talks on an EU exit agreement.

The negotiations broke down at the weekend — just days before a set piece summit — when the UK prime minister dispatched Dominic Raab, her Brexit secretary, to Brussels to make clear that she could not sign up to a “backstop” plan to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland.

“We decided to let a day pass to see what happens in London,” added a senior EU diplomat.

Mrs May told the House of Commons on Monday that neither Brussels nor London could allow the disagreement to “derail the prospects of a good deal and leave us with a ‘no-deal’ outcome that no one wants”.

She insisted she believed a deal was still “achievable” and that the UK and EU were “not far apart”.

Sabine Weyand, the EU’s deputy chief negotiator, told EU27 diplomats that Brussels would now wait to see if Mrs May could muster the support of her top ministers and her allies in Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist party for an exit deal. Mrs May is due to convene a cabinet meeting on Tuesday.

If the EU were not to co-operate on our future relationship, we must be able to ensure that we cannot be kept in this backstop arrangement indefinitely

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Some Eurosceptic Conservative cabinet ministers have threatened to resign unless Brussels agrees to put a firm end date on the “temporary” customs union between the EU and UK which forms part of the backstop.

Sammy Wilson, Brexit spokesman for the DUP, said that a no-deal exit was “probably inevitable” because of “intransigence” from EU negotiators in Brussels.

The DUP, which props up Mrs May’s government, has threatened to bring down the British prime minister unless she drops a proposal to keep the region in the EU’s single market for goods during the backstop period, putting a regulatory border in the Irish Sea.

Answering members of parliament’s questions on Monday, Mrs May declined to promise that there would be a specific end-date in the backstop or to rule out that Northern Ireland would remain in the single market when the rest of the UK left.

But she faulted the EU for insisting on a “backstop to the backstop — effectively an insurance policy for the insurance policy” that would keep Northern Ireland but not the rest of the UK in the bloc’s custom union.

“We have been clear that we cannot agree to anything that threatens the integrity of our United Kingdom,” Mrs May said.

“If the EU were not to co-operate on our future relationship, we must be able to ensure that we cannot be kept in this backstop arrangement indefinitely,” she added.

Responding to the deadlock, Leo Varadkar, Ireland’s prime minister, suggested that a deal on the backstop might not be agreed for weeks.

“The initial target if you like was October,” Mr Varadkar told reporters in Dublin on Monday. “That’s now slipped to November.”

Simon Coveney, Ireland’s deputy prime minister, also voiced the “ frustration” of many countries over what he described as Britain’s decision to in effect “disengage” from the talks before the EU’s 27 remaining member states begin their summit on Wednesday.

Mrs May has been invited to Brussels on Wednesday to address EU leaders before their Brexit dinner. But no further talks are scheduled ahead of the summit, raising the prospect of a complete breakdown in the Brexit process.

London had previously been warned that failure to make “decisive” progress on a withdrawal agreement before Wednesday would have serious implications.


One option under discussion is for member states to call a summit in November devoted to discussing preparations for a no-deal UK exit in the hope it would give negotiators time to make amends. The European Commission may also step up preparations for a hard exit in March, including by the publication of a detailed contingency planning document.

A joint statement by the UK’s Brexit department and Downing Street said that despite “real progress in a number of key areas”, there remained “unresolved issues” following talks between Mr Raab and Mr Barnier.

The UK said it was “still committed to making progress” at Wednesday’s EU summit. Keir Starmer, Labour’s Brexit spokesman, said on Monday that Mrs May should follow his party’s advice and negotiate permanent membership of the customs union to protect the economy.

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Dor-Relip Hotels and Bathings » 16 Oct 2018, 22:23

Darkness_Fish wrote:This is a big fucking mess of absolute shit from the off.

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Re: Brexit Countdown

Postby Robert » 16 Oct 2018, 22:39

SUMPTUOUS SI wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/16/false-promises-brexit-john-major


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