Stewart Lee

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Re: Stewart Lee

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Both amusing because they utterly send up the style of observational comedy that Lee detests. The first is the Peter Kaye "oh weren't it great back then' and then Top Gear for the "oh it's just a joke!" style of degrading humour that Clarkson et al specialise in.

As others have said, you've taken the context out of both pieces.

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Re: Stewart Lee

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I've just watched over half an hour.. three sketches... how often can you repeat a phrase in the hope that it gets funny?
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Re: Stewart Lee

Postby Diamond Dog » 02 Aug 2018, 21:12

To be fair, I have giggled occasionally at some of Stewart Lee. But, by christ, the guy believes in making every single fucking issue a marathon and not a sprint, doesn't he?
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Re: Stewart Lee

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Oh dear.
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Re: Stewart Lee

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Diamond Dog wrote:I've just watched over half an hour.. three sketches... how often can you repeat a phrase in the hope that it gets funny?


It's not just phrases.
When we last saw him he must have spent 5 minutes making raspberry sounds impersonating Jeremy Corbyn's cat defecating on a Union Jack flag in a cat litter tray.
250 people were in stitches.

I suppose you had to be there.

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Re: Stewart Lee

Postby The Prof » 02 Aug 2018, 23:08

Then he hung it out on the washing line and saluted it

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Re: Stewart Lee

Postby Copehead » 03 Aug 2018, 00:49

The Prof wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:I've just watched over half an hour.. three sketches... how often can you repeat a phrase in the hope that it gets funny?


It's not just phrases.
When we last saw him he must have spent 5 minutes making raspberry sounds impersonating Jeremy Corbyn's cat defecating on a Union Jack flag in a cat litter tray.
250 people were in stitches.

I suppose you had to be there.


I'm laughing just remembering that.

But I have to pull you up; it wasn't Jeremy Corbyn's cat that did diarrhea all over the Union Jack it was Stewart Lee's cat Jeremy Corbyn.

Hence the fatal misunderstanding that lead to the full month of BBC headlines discussing whether or not the politician Jeremy Corbyn had shat on a Union Jack or not. Of course Labour plummeted in the Polls after and that was how we ended up with Jacob Rees Mogg as PM and a full return to serfdom in the UK.

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Re: Stewart Lee

Postby Toby » 03 Aug 2018, 06:51

I laugh at people writing about not getting Stewart Lee.

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Re: Stewart Lee

Postby Darkness_Fish » 03 Aug 2018, 09:34

Is it not getting - or is it that they don't think he's funny? The former seems to imply there's something they don't understand. From my point of view, I think he can be brilliant - but he relies on his own personal tropes (painful repetition, self-examination, and meta-commentary on the joke) just as much as Peter Kay relies on vague childhood memories and pop-culture quirks. And he seems to be getting worse, the insight he used to bring just isn't there anymore.

At least Ted Chippington used to have the balls to be not-funny by being not funny. Stewart Lee seems to have gone down the route of being not-funny by repeatedly telling us he's not funny.
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Re: Stewart Lee

Postby Toby » 03 Aug 2018, 09:36

I have to say that I find his political commentary dull. It's just a nuanced "oh god the Tories". He doesn't really have anything to say on that front

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Re: Stewart Lee

Postby The Prof » 03 Aug 2018, 09:43

Copehead wrote:

But I have to pull you up; it wasn't Jeremy Corbyn's cat that did diarrhea all over the Union Jack it was Stewart Lee's cat Jeremy Corbyn.


Ah yes - you're right.

I think the cat was originally called Paul Nuttals of the UKIPS in an early version of the gag.

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Re: Stewart Lee

Postby Butch Manly » 03 Aug 2018, 09:53

He's the best, in my opinion. Bill Bailey and Ross noble are up there too but Lee's meta-comedy has me and Nat gasping for air at times.
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Re: Stewart Lee

Postby The Prof » 03 Aug 2018, 10:42

I don't know wether he has any friends in the 'entertainment' business but cultivating this character that hates most showbiz people gives him a lot of flexibility to slag a lot of them off.

James Corden for example.


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Re: Stewart Lee

Postby wannabee enfant terrible » 03 Aug 2018, 15:31

But is he slagging Corden off or is he slagging people who slag Corden off?

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Re: Stewart Lee

Postby THE SMOOTH SOUL STYLINGS OF SUMPTUOUS SI » 03 Aug 2018, 15:52

I like Lee's stuff a lot, but I have no problem saying that extract isn't funny in the slightest. But it really is all about context, especially with his shows.
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Re: Stewart Lee

Postby Diamond Dog » 03 Aug 2018, 15:58

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Re: Stewart Lee

Postby Goat Boy » 03 Aug 2018, 17:03

He has his moments, I wouldn't deny that but it's clever comedy.

He's no Billy Connolly.
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Re: Stewart Lee

Postby Butch Manly » 03 Aug 2018, 17:25

Toby wrote:I have to say that I find his political commentary dull. It's just a nuanced "oh god the Tories". He doesn't really have anything to say on that front



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Re: Stewart Lee

Postby Nikki Gradual » 03 Aug 2018, 22:11

Coming to the whole Stewart Lee thing (post Lee & Herring) fairly fresh and neutral, I can imagine that if I was in the audience and had had a couple of beers it would be all right, but it just doesn't seem funny enough to sustain how long he draws everything out. In fact, even accepting that his style doesn't adapt as well as some to video, most of it is just seems like Ben Elton circa 1984 on mogadon. And Ben Elton dreaming he is Charlie Brooker at that. Obviously Lee is a lot less despisable as a person than Elton and much more tongue in cheek, but their dialogue styles are remarkable similar in style if not pace and "genius" has rarely been more misapplied.
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