Tonto Papadopoulos wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:
Griff does this as well so he likes to infer I’m an Israeli shill who is indifferent to the suffering of the Palestinians. His Palestinian woman comment is trying to do the same thing.
Well, you hardly seem outraged by the situation. Having "some sympathy "for the Palestinians' plight is hardly going to do them any good.
It is common knowledge that the Israeli government employs a sophisticated and influential hasbara machine to promote their interests in western countries. A significant part of that activity will be maintaining contact with Jewish news outlets in Britain and other countries. They also have strong connections with British politicians who promote Israeli interests in parliament and the wider political field. An Israeli diplomat, Shai Masot, has been recorded boasting about his ability to bring down any troublesome British MPs.
They do all of this, of course, to attempt to shut down any criticism of the illegal land grab which continues day by day in the West Bank and the appalling treatment of Palestinians in the Gaza ghetto.
They will, of course, be delighted when people such as yourself view the entire situation as the Israeli government versus Hamas. That is what they want us all to think.
In fact, it is unhelpful and inaccurate to view it that way. This is about the Israeli government versus the Palestinian people. Hamas are a symptom of this conflict more than a cause.
We do the millions of ordinary, innocent Palestinians a disservice if we equate them all with Hamas and frame it as Israel v Hamas though that of course is precisely what hasbara sets out to achieve. It shuts down the debate and allows the crimes to continue. That is why Labour made a few amendments to the examples, not as a result of some crypto-anti-Semitic plot.
Now you can continue to embarrass yourself by trying to frame me as some sort of crazy conspiracy theorist or you can finally wipe the sleep from your eyes and see what is actually going on.
“Hardly seem outraged”.
OH GAWD, I’M AWFULLY SORRY SIR, HAVE I NOT EXHIBITED THE REQUISITE AMOUNT OF OUTRAGE FOR YOU? OH GAWD, MY SINCEREST APOLOGIES NOBLE ONE. I can assure you I shall have a 1000 word essay on your desk along with a very shiny apple freshly scuffed on my starchy grey school shorts by Monday morning SIR that I dearly hope will clearly express my sincere and honest outrage over this tragic situation and that this, dear God, will meet your satisfaction, Mr Griff Sir. In conclusion: Palestine FTW.
Maybe we should have some kind of BCB outrageometer? Not far enough in the red to meet Griff’s and G’s approval and Griff will solemnly castigate you for having “done poorly” and then demand an apology for having slighted someone from an oppressed minority.
And what good, pray tell are you
doing, Griff? What good does your endless stream of articles on Facebook do except give somebody the opportunity to express their horror through the medium of the sad faced smilie? Or your attendance at a fucking rally (ooo, look, Griff’s waving a Palestinian flag everybody! Take that Israel!)? What good does your self-righteous ire on BCB do? Nothing, not a fucking sausage, that’s what. If you want to do the Palestinians some good and do us all
a favour, instead of fucking off on early retirement to cosy little Spain, fuck the fuck off and go and fight with Hamas or do some humanitarian work in Gaza (BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT YOU ARE GRIFF, REMEMBER?). I’m sure your retirement money could contribute to a good month or two on the strip
helping out poor Palestinians whose worlds have collapsed. There’ll be no tapas or bullfighting mind and plenty anti-Semitism from Hamas but I’m sure your glorious leader whose face regularly adorns your bloated body with beaming pride will approve of you fighting the good fight with the peace seeking social justice warriors. Maybe afterwards he might invite your for tea and cake at parliament followed by a complimentary hand job in the bog. I’ve heard he has very soft hands
. Apparently George Galloway likes to watch by the way so please be careful
I don’t know what to say about the rest of your post. You don’t want to be labelled a conspiracy nut but you still indulge in it. Imagine a country trying to promote its interests abroad and maintain strong diplomatic relationships with its allies? Whowouldathunkit? Of course to you it’s something else because Israel is uniquely awful. This time you use an example of an embassy official mouthing off about bringing down Pro-Palestine MPs. Did it ever it occur he was just some gobshite boasting to impress someone? To you, however, this is a smoking gun in the same way the 2nd hand unverified recollection from an academic is proof that Louise Ellman did not attend that meeting. Christ. Why don’t you just start drawing cartoons, maybe featuring a boat called “UK” being pulled under by a giant squid called “Israel”? This is where you are at now I’m afraid and it makes discussion with you pointless. I am not going to indulge you in your nonsense anymore. You’re in good company though, Griff. I see there’s a video now of Corbyn claiming the BBC is biased towards Israel because it refers to Israel as a democracy that has a right to exist and defend itself from Islamist fascists who want to destroy it. You are swimming in the same shallow waters.
You’re like the strange man you get into a random argument with at a party who then creepily follows you home and who shouts “and another thing!”
at the bedroom window when you’re undressing for bed. Maybe I wasn’t quite clear enough before but I’ve had enough of your shit and don’t want to engage with you again on politics, let alone this issue.
So let me clear now, Griff and spell it out to you.
I’m bored of your booze sodden bullshit. I’m bored of left wingers like yourself who propagate conspiratorial nonsense and then implore me to finally wipe the sleep from my eyes
(wake up sheeple!). I’m bored of cunts like you who blame everybody else (right wing media, right wing Jews, Blairites, Mandelson, Campbell) for the problems their leaders and party have created instead of looking in the mirror themselves. I’m tired of cunts like you who turn a blind eye to their own sides bullshit by whinging about the fucking Tories instead (there’s a lot of that on this thread). I’m bored of your obvious prejudice towards huge swathes of the population whose political opinions you don’t share. I’m bored of your finger wagging self-righteousness and nauseating judgemental arrogance. I’m bored of your simple minded partisan loyalties and constant stream of virtue signalling on Facebook. I suggest you get off your arse and book that flight to Gaza, Griff if you really wanna make a difference cos the memes aren't cutting it.
I’m fucking bored man and I know I’m not the only one.
And that sad thing is you’ll only get worse as you get older and angrier. More bitter, more judgemental, more conspiratorial, more bubble dwelling, more dogmatic, less empathetic. I can only hope Spain, or that tour of duty with Hamas will alleviate whatever the fuck is grinding your gears because something clearly isn’t right.
In a perverse way though, it’s kind of sweet and flattering that you have followed me home from the pub yet again. It’s like you are trying to convert me or summat but I’m shutting the curtains and putting my ear plugs in now
In short: fuck off Griff