The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Pansy Puff » 08 Aug 2018, 20:55

This app is fascinating. These two examples are understandable:

"There was a post comparing Jews to cockroaches," he remembers. "We put it on the app, the users protested against it, and within three days it was deleted.

"In another instance, an Israeli lecturer had his microphone cut off at a university in Minnesota. We put a petition online that immediately garnered support from all of the app's users, with 400 of them also sending letters of protest to the president of the university, leading him to open an investigation into the case and discipline the students involved."

But this concerns me
It's genius just how simple the idea behind the app is. "Companies, such as Facebook, remove content following reports from the community," Ben-Yosef explains. "If there is only one person reporting it, he usually gets told by Facebook the content doesn't meet the criteria for removal. If 300 report it—the content is removed immediately. As soon as content inciting against Israel is posted online, we send a message through the app and all of its subscribers immediately report it."
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 08 Aug 2018, 21:10

Over to Goatboy.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Copehead » 08 Aug 2018, 22:28

The Prof wrote:There's been rumours for a while about an 'new' SDPlike Centrist Party...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/politicia ... xit-2018-8

anti-Brexit campaigner, Gina Miller, this time, in the frame to lead it.


There are rumours that if Corbyn won an election with a small majority they would break away to stop him forming a government.
These people are not Labour Party supporters, if possible they should be found and deselected, let them stand against a Labour Party candidate and we would see how popular these rank egotists really are. the idea that people vote for Frank Field or Margaret Hodge rather than for the Labour party is one I would like to see put to the test.

Again I find it amazing that people who identify with the Labour Party would even discuss something like this in order to derail an attempt to break away from the neo-liberal consensus that has done so much harm to this country in the last decade.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby The Prof » 08 Aug 2018, 22:46

Copehead wrote:There are rumours that if Corbyn won an election with a small majority they would break away to stop him forming a government.


That is just ridiculous.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Copehead » 08 Aug 2018, 22:49

Goat Boy wrote:[ You are not left wing enough, you see? You’re a bit of a traitor, a crypto right winger, a “Blairite”, one of Them etc. That’s how they attack you to delegitimise your arguments but it’s transparent and shallow. This is one of Copehead’s default tactics in such debates but he is inherently dishonest and a liar who is quite happy to infer that I am a racist and then say that I am “beneath contempt”, as are the “ultra Zionist” right wing British Jews who have the temerity to criticise Corbyn of course.
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I speak as I find.

There is certainly a lot of quacking and waddling going on.

I think eventually you will have to face up to the fact that you are not left of centre, it is obviously a bit of a painful realization for you that as the Labour Party has moved back to its traditional ground and gained massively in popularity you have been left high and dry. But if you can't countenance an end to Neo-liberalism and a move to the moderate, European style Social Democracy that Corbyn represents then the Tory Party is probably your natural home.

You can hand in your Rock against Racism and Coal not Dole badges in on the way out the door.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Belle Lettre » 08 Aug 2018, 23:57

Jonathan Cook is marvellous.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 09 Aug 2018, 06:38

Belle Lettre wrote:Jonathan Cook is marvellous.


He really is. A real beacon of clarity who cuts through all of the bullshit and tells it how it really is from his position on the ground in the West Bank.

By the way, I forgot to tell you that Nat read The Girl Who Stole My Holocaust. It completely changed her position. She used to be very wary of being too critical of Israel but is now completely convinced that Israel deserve all of the criticism they get.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 09 Aug 2018, 06:50

Michael Rosen on Twitter:

"Daily Express headline this morning: ‘Secret Plan to Oust Corbyn ‘. Is that different from the public one?"
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Copehead » 09 Aug 2018, 08:22

Tonto Papadopoulos wrote:Michael Rosen on Twitter:

"Daily Express headline this morning: ‘Secret Plan to Oust Corbyn ‘. Is that different from the public one?"


I love Michael Rosen, even if he is "just a Jew", "the wrong sort of Jew" or " a cultural Jew"; and one, as he points out, who never has the fact that he lost family in the holocaust appended to his every mention like Margaret Hodge, who is of course the right kind of Jew.

You should follow Tony Greenstein on twitter as well as he is so apoplectically angry all the time, probably with good reason, I don't look at the sort of replies he gets tweeted, I don't like to dive into those sort of anti-Semitic waters.

Another +1 for Jonathon Cook, that was a good piece, because it shows that in all this there are still Israeli Jews fighting against what their country is becoming, we must never forget that because that really would be conflating Likkud's Israel with Jewishness and, despite that being what "the right sort of Jew" want you to do that really would be anti-Semitic.

The way Jewish critics of Israel are marginalized, ignored and victimized is a real scandal, you can be a Jewish anti-Zionist and get thrown out of the Labour Party for it, you can be a Black anti-racism campaigner and get thrown out of the party for politely questioning why Ruth Smeeth is undermining the Labour Party in the Daily Telegraph, but you can scream libelous abuse using parliamentary privilege at your party leader and all of a sudden disciplining you would just be more evidence of anti-Semitism.

Of course all this is self defeating for the Labour Right, they lost a leadership election to Corbyn when the party was half the size it is now, he has doubled the size of the party, most of those people joined to support him and despise the chicken coup lot and every time they pull shit like this they bring more people into the party to support Corbyn.

And all because they cannot support moderate social democracy, what the fuck are they even in the Labour Party for in that case?
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby mission » 09 Aug 2018, 10:22

Tonto Papadopoulos wrote:Over to Goatboy.

Why should this instance of an interest group seeking to protect its interests be any more alarming than the gazillions of other groups doing the same or similar?

Fuck me, did you come down in the last shower?

This is how the modern world operates.

Granted, it is a tiny bit more sophisticated than all that copying and pasting excerpts from the electronic intifada. Sinister, perhaps. Definitely underhanded or even shadowy. The blooddrunk work of a cabal?

Well, I will leave it to you to decide.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Belle Lettre » 09 Aug 2018, 10:31

Letter to the Guardian:


• As Jewish members and supporters of the Labour party, we agree with John Prescott’s assertion that the Labour party is not antisemitic (Corbyn sorry for hurt caused to the Jewish community, 6 August). One of the most noticeable things about these repeated claims of Labour party antisemitism is a distinct lack of any evidence.

We disagree with Tom Watson’s statement that Labour may “disappear into a vortex of eternal shame”. We need only note that Watson and those Labour MPs concerned about antisemitism displayed no shame at the fact that by abstaining, they effectively supported the Immigration Act 2014 and its “hostile environment policy”, which led directly to the Windrush scandal.

Jewish people are not living in fear of an “existential threat” as some claim, nor do they suffer threats of deportation, deaths in custody, stop and search or economic discrimination such as black and Asian people experience.
It is deeply ironic that this renewed campaign about antisemitism in the Labour party should coincide with the Israeli Knesset passing the Jewish nation state law making Israel officially an apartheid state..

Jeremy Corbyn has nothing to apologise for and he should concentrate on the real task, winning a majority at the next election, and not be diverted by these bogus claims of antisemitism.

Graham Bash, Professor Haim Bresheeth, Mike Cushman, Peter Gorbach, Tony Greenstein, Abe Hayeem, Rosamine Hayeem, Professor Yosefa Loshitzky, Deborah Maccoby, Professor Moshe Machover, Diane Neslen, Ephraim Nimni, Charlotte Pringles, Dr Brian Robinson, Jackie Walker
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

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Prescott for Deputy Leader!

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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby the gorton gollum » 09 Aug 2018, 10:35

I thought Gorgeous George was in line for that?
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Belle Lettre » 09 Aug 2018, 10:37

Clive's up!
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Fonz » 09 Aug 2018, 10:48

Hey Tonto. Do you have a link for that Cook piece?

It should be pretty much the last word on this.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby the gorton gollum » 09 Aug 2018, 10:49

www.Der Stürmer.com
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Goat Boy » 09 Aug 2018, 11:05

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Griff does this as well so he likes to infer I’m an Israeli shill who is indifferent to the suffering of the Palestinians. His Palestinian woman comment is trying to do the same thing.


Well, you hardly seem outraged by the situation. Having "some sympathy "for the Palestinians' plight is hardly going to do them any good.

It is common knowledge that the Israeli government employs a sophisticated and influential hasbara machine to promote their interests in western countries. A significant part of that activity will be maintaining contact with Jewish news outlets in Britain and other countries. They also have strong connections with British politicians who promote Israeli interests in parliament and the wider political field. An Israeli diplomat, Shai Masot, has been recorded boasting about his ability to bring down any troublesome British MPs.

They do all of this, of course, to attempt to shut down any criticism of the illegal land grab which continues day by day in the West Bank and the appalling treatment of Palestinians in the Gaza ghetto.

They will, of course, be delighted when people such as yourself view the entire situation as the Israeli government versus Hamas. That is what they want us all to think.

In fact, it is unhelpful and inaccurate to view it that way. This is about the Israeli government versus the Palestinian people. Hamas are a symptom of this conflict more than a cause.

We do the millions of ordinary, innocent Palestinians a disservice if we equate them all with Hamas and frame it as Israel v Hamas though that of course is precisely what hasbara sets out to achieve. It shuts down the debate and allows the crimes to continue. That is why Labour made a few amendments to the examples, not as a result of some crypto-anti-Semitic plot.

Now you can continue to embarrass yourself by trying to frame me as some sort of crazy conspiracy theorist or you can finally wipe the sleep from your eyes and see what is actually going on.


“Hardly seem outraged”.

OH GAWD, I’M AWFULLY SORRY SIR, HAVE I NOT EXHIBITED THE REQUISITE AMOUNT OF OUTRAGE FOR YOU? OH GAWD, MY SINCEREST APOLOGIES NOBLE ONE. I can assure you I shall have a 1000 word essay on your desk along with a very shiny apple freshly scuffed on my starchy grey school shorts by Monday morning SIR that I dearly hope will clearly express my sincere and honest outrage over this tragic situation and that this, dear God, will meet your satisfaction, Mr Griff Sir. In conclusion: Palestine FTW.

Maybe we should have some kind of BCB outrageometer? Not far enough in the red to meet Griff’s and G’s approval and Griff will solemnly castigate you for having “done poorly” and then demand an apology for having slighted someone from an oppressed minority.

And what good, pray tell are you doing, Griff? What good does your endless stream of articles on Facebook do except give somebody the opportunity to express their horror through the medium of the sad faced smilie? Or your attendance at a fucking rally (ooo, look, Griff’s waving a Palestinian flag everybody! Take that Israel!)? What good does your self-righteous ire on BCB do? Nothing, not a fucking sausage, that’s what. If you want to do the Palestinians some good and do us all a favour, instead of fucking off on early retirement to cosy little Spain, fuck the fuck off and go and fight with Hamas or do some humanitarian work in Gaza (BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT YOU ARE GRIFF, REMEMBER?). I’m sure your retirement money could contribute to a good month or two on the strip helping out poor Palestinians whose worlds have collapsed. There’ll be no tapas or bullfighting mind and plenty anti-Semitism from Hamas but I’m sure your glorious leader whose face regularly adorns your bloated body with beaming pride will approve of you fighting the good fight with the peace seeking social justice warriors. Maybe afterwards he might invite your for tea and cake at parliament followed by a complimentary hand job in the bog. I’ve heard he has very soft hands. Apparently George Galloway likes to watch by the way so please be careful.

I don’t know what to say about the rest of your post. You don’t want to be labelled a conspiracy nut but you still indulge in it. Imagine a country trying to promote its interests abroad and maintain strong diplomatic relationships with its allies? Whowouldathunkit? Of course to you it’s something else because Israel is uniquely awful. This time you use an example of an embassy official mouthing off about bringing down Pro-Palestine MPs. Did it ever it occur he was just some gobshite boasting to impress someone? To you, however, this is a smoking gun in the same way the 2nd hand unverified recollection from an academic is proof that Louise Ellman did not attend that meeting. Christ. Why don’t you just start drawing cartoons, maybe featuring a boat called “UK” being pulled under by a giant squid called “Israel”? This is where you are at now I’m afraid and it makes discussion with you pointless. I am not going to indulge you in your nonsense anymore. You’re in good company though, Griff. I see there’s a video now of Corbyn claiming the BBC is biased towards Israel because it refers to Israel as a democracy that has a right to exist and defend itself from Islamist fascists who want to destroy it. You are swimming in the same shallow waters.

Enough.

You’re like the strange man you get into a random argument with at a party who then creepily follows you home and who shouts “and another thing!” at the bedroom window when you’re undressing for bed. Maybe I wasn’t quite clear enough before but I’ve had enough of your shit and don’t want to engage with you again on politics, let alone this issue.

So let me clear now, Griff and spell it out to you.

I’m bored of your booze sodden bullshit. I’m bored of left wingers like yourself who propagate conspiratorial nonsense and then implore me to finally wipe the sleep from my eyes (wake up sheeple!). I’m bored of cunts like you who blame everybody else (right wing media, right wing Jews, Blairites, Mandelson, Campbell) for the problems their leaders and party have created instead of looking in the mirror themselves. I’m tired of cunts like you who turn a blind eye to their own sides bullshit by whinging about the fucking Tories instead (there’s a lot of that on this thread). I’m bored of your obvious prejudice towards huge swathes of the population whose political opinions you don’t share. I’m bored of your finger wagging self-righteousness and nauseating judgemental arrogance. I’m bored of your simple minded partisan loyalties and constant stream of virtue signalling on Facebook. I suggest you get off your arse and book that flight to Gaza, Griff if you really wanna make a difference cos the memes aren't cutting it.

I’m fucking bored man and I know I’m not the only one.

And that sad thing is you’ll only get worse as you get older and angrier. More bitter, more judgemental, more conspiratorial, more bubble dwelling, more dogmatic, less empathetic. I can only hope Spain, or that tour of duty with Hamas will alleviate whatever the fuck is grinding your gears because something clearly isn’t right.

In a perverse way though, it’s kind of sweet and flattering that you have followed me home from the pub yet again. It’s like you are trying to convert me or summat but I’m shutting the curtains and putting my ear plugs in now, ok?

In short: fuck off Griff
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Belle Lettre » 09 Aug 2018, 11:32

I can't quite see how you can make the assumption that Griff supports Hamas.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

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Belle Lettre wrote:I can't quite see how you can make the assumption that Griff supports Hamas.


https://mobile.twitter.com/hurryupharry/status/1027212006011674624

We are all Hamas now, Carol.
Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.


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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Belle Lettre » 09 Aug 2018, 11:50

Can't see Griff in the pics, mate.

As an aside, do you think Hamas sprang up in a vacuum? All of this could have been avoided.
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