The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Copehead » 07 Aug 2018, 22:59

Goat Boy wrote:You dismiss everything, from commenting on antisemitic murals to calling hamas peace seeking social justice warriors and inviting anti-semitic homophobes round for tea. I'm sure you'd dismiss his stance on Kosovo as well. Everything is met with a shrug.


This is the same sort of weak shit you and your sort pulled with the old "he talked to the IRA" shit.

You don't solve difficult conflicts or change people's positions by not talking to them.

He has literally spent his life fighting racism and for you it is just a handy stick to beat him with because you don't like his economic policies.

You are really beneath contempt.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Belle Lettre » 07 Aug 2018, 23:00

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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 08 Aug 2018, 00:20

The Modernist wrote:
Belle Lettre wrote:What's the fucking point, eh? Nobody's going to rest till we're back with some Umunna/Kendall hybrid and a guarantee that nothing much will ever change.


That's how I feel Carol. Depressing isn't it?


What does Goatboy even think that the ultimate fate of the Palestinian people will be? Has he even thought about that?

What will become of them? Asking for a friend.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Copehead » 08 Aug 2018, 01:18

Tonto Papadopoulos wrote:
The Modernist wrote:
Belle Lettre wrote:What's the fucking point, eh? Nobody's going to rest till we're back with some Umunna/Kendall hybrid and a guarantee that nothing much will ever change.


That's how I feel Carol. Depressing isn't it?


What does Goatboy even think that the ultimate fate of the Palestinian people will be? Has he even thought about that?

What will become of them? Asking for a friend.


He doesn't really care because it is subservient to pointing out the racist mote in our eye whilst studiously ignoring the racist beam in his own.

Everything is subservient to ensuring that a moderately left wing Labour government cannot happen.

And they will lie, cheat and deceive to ensure that; everyone will from the BBC news department through the Tory Party and its news media to the Guardian and elements in the Labour PLP.

It is baffling to me; it is like they can no longer bear to lose power even for a few years, you can see the same happening in the States. The neo-liberal status quo must not be upset, it is like a mirror image of the post-war consensus, that took a Thatcher to up end and I don't think Corbyn, for all his good points, has the right make up to do that and Thatcher, of course, had a large part of the news media on her side not it all being entirely hostile to her.

I can understand what Rees-Mogg gets out of having the neo-liberal right in permanent power but what do Toby and Dougie hope to get out of it? It appears just to be some sort of genetic need to tug the forelock that Mike displays so well. They and their families will suffer just like most of the rest of the plebs but they are terrified of any alternative, clinging to nanny.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Belle Lettre » 08 Aug 2018, 06:54

I don't think Dougie's particularly right wing to be fair. Just got a thing about the vagaries of "the Left".
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

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Copehead wrote:
Everything is subservient to ensuring that a moderately left wing Labour government cannot happen.


That's what I said pages ago. Oh, what will happen to the NATO expanding, arms selling, fear Russia narrative if a lefty gets into power? It's the same thing with the anti-Bernie Democrats in the US. Labour has never been particularly pro-Israel and suddenly this? C'mon. This is a another deep state op to keep the middle east boiling and yes, more than ever to get us ready for war against Iran.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/that ... b4f4b059a7
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

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Belle Lettre wrote:I don't think Dougie's particularly right wing to be fair. Just got a thing about the vagaries of "the Left".


Doesn't that make him politically "right" then.

It is getting to the point where you are going to have to choose sides and there isn't a lot of fence to sit on in the middle any more and most of that fence is firmly in the neo-liberal status quo, so I guess that is "right".
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

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Jimbo wrote:
Copehead wrote:
Everything is subservient to ensuring that a moderately left wing Labour government cannot happen.


That's what I said pages ago. Oh, what will happen to the NATO expanding, arms selling, fear Russia narrative if a lefty gets into power? It's the same thing with the anti-Bernie Democrats in the US. Labour has never been particularly pro-Israel and suddenly this? C'mon. This is a another deep state op to keep the middle east boiling and yes, more than ever to get us ready for war against Iran.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/that ... b4f4b059a7


Labour was always strongly pro-Israel and still has strong links with the Israeli Labour Party, but the long years of hard line Likkud governments and their disgusting treatment of Palestinians has put severe strain on that relationship.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Copehead » 08 Aug 2018, 08:35

https://kmflett.wordpress.com/2017/04/21/jeremy-corbyns-role-in-organising-opposition-to-fascism-at-the-battle-of-wood-green-23rd-april-1977/

Good old Keith Flett.

I wonder what Margaret Hodge was doing that day, probably setting up an offshore bank account or something?
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Jimbo » 08 Aug 2018, 09:10

Copehead wrote:
Jimbo wrote:
Copehead wrote:
Everything is subservient to ensuring that a moderately left wing Labour government cannot happen.


That's what I said pages ago. Oh, what will happen to the NATO expanding, arms selling, fear Russia narrative if a lefty gets into power? It's the same thing with the anti-Bernie Democrats in the US. Labour has never been particularly pro-Israel and suddenly this? C'mon. This is a another deep state op to keep the middle east boiling and yes, more than ever to get us ready for war against Iran.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/that ... b4f4b059a7


Labour was always strongly pro-Israel and still has strong links with the Israeli Labour Party, but the long years of hard line Likkud governments and their disgusting treatment of Palestinians has put severe strain on that relationship.


Labour shmabour. UK, USA, Israel, they're all lying neocons now. The left moved right and the right moved righter and that's what is making the world go 'round. Talk about your axes of evil! From either party or from any of those countries have you seen anyone held accountable for the bank failures, the war crimes, the absolute explosion of riches and power for those in positions to grab it? How is that possible unless there is some shield, some protection? A Corbyn, a Sanders, an Assange, an Alex Jones, even, is a threat to this club of thieves and must be eliminated. How much money would Israel, the MIC lose if there is peace in the ME? The fuck you think we're false flagging the new Cold War for? Antisemitism-gate is another farrago, a ploy, a cynical mainstream media-backed tactic to keep the bastards in power.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby The Prof » 08 Aug 2018, 11:19

There's been rumours for a while about an 'new' SDPlike Centrist Party...

http://uk.businessinsider.com/politicia ... xit-2018-8

anti-Brexit campaigner, Gina Miller, this time, in the frame to lead it.

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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Goat Boy » 08 Aug 2018, 11:28

Belle Lettre wrote:I don't think Dougie's particularly right wing to be fair. Just got a thing about the vagaries of "the Left".



I’m scared to talk to you, Carol, just in case I TALK DOWN TO A PALESTINIAN WOMAN again.

Some left wingers will always attack people who criticise elements within the left and point out their pathetic inconsistences. That’s just part of the game and their partisan loyalties coming to the fore. You are not left wing enough, you see? You’re a bit of a traitor, a crypto right winger, a “Blairite”, one of Them etc. That’s how they attack you to delegitimise your arguments but it’s transparent and shallow. This is one of Copehead’s default tactics in such debates but he is inherently dishonest and a liar who is quite happy to infer that I am a racist and then say that I am “beneath contempt”, as are the “ultra Zionist” right wing British Jews who have the temerity to criticise Corbyn of course.

Griff does this as well so he likes to infer I’m an Israeli shill who is indifferent to the suffering of the Palestinians. His Palestinian woman comment is trying to do the same thing. Personally I think that’s hugely patronising because I think you are perfectly capable of standing up for yourself and I also treat you as an equal on such threads and do not make special dispensation. I’ve always thought of you as English with some family connection to the area btw but not that it matters.
Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.


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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Belle Lettre » 08 Aug 2018, 11:46

Well, the family connection is my own father who had to leave when he was 10. He eventually got Lebanese nationality and that was what I was born. Despite my Scottish mother, I was not able to get British citizenship until 1981. I am NOT English..
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

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Ok!
Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.


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Postby the gorton gollum » 08 Aug 2018, 12:35

So now we all have to suffer :(
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 08 Aug 2018, 13:17

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Griff does this as well so he likes to infer I’m an Israeli shill who is indifferent to the suffering of the Palestinians. His Palestinian woman comment is trying to do the same thing.


Well, you hardly seem outraged by the situation. Having "some sympathy "for the Palestinians' plight is hardly going to do them any good.

It is common knowledge that the Israeli government employs a sophisticated and influential hasbara machine to promote their interests in western countries. A significant part of that activity will be maintaining contact with Jewish news outlets in Britain and other countries. They also have strong connections with British politicians who promote Israeli interests in parliament and the wider political field. An Israeli diplomat, Shai Masot, has been recorded boasting about his ability to bring down any troublesome British MPs.

They do all of this, of course, to attempt to shut down any criticism of the illegal land grab which continues day by day in the West Bank and the appalling treatment of Palestinians in the Gaza ghetto.

They will, of course, be delighted when people such as yourself view the entire situation as the Israeli government versus Hamas. That is what they want us all to think.

In fact, it is unhelpful and inaccurate to view it that way. This is about the Israeli government versus the Palestinian people. Hamas are a symptom of this conflict more than a cause.

We do the millions of ordinary, innocent Palestinians a disservice if we equate them all with Hamas and frame it as Israel v Hamas though that of course is precisely what hasbara sets out to achieve. It shuts down the debate and allows the crimes to continue. That is why Labour made a few amendments to the examples, not as a result of some crypto-anti-Semitic plot.

Now you can continue to embarrass yourself by trying to frame me as some sort of crazy conspiracy theorist or you can finally wipe the sleep from your eyes and see what is actually going on.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 08 Aug 2018, 14:31

From the Electronic Intifada website (it is somewhat strident in its wording at times but contains enough factual information to make it rather damning I would've thought)

Israel running campaign against Jeremy Corbyn

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Jeremy Corbyn has been under pressure from the Israel lobby once again. (Chatham House/Flickr)
An app operated as part of an Israeli government propaganda campaign issued a “mission” for social media users to make comments against Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn, accusing him of anti-Semitism.

This is the latest evidence of an Israeli campaign of psychological warfare against the UK’s main opposition party.

The Act.IL app on Sunday falsely accused Corbyn of comparing Israel to Nazi Germany in a 2010 meeting which had been resurfaced by The Times last week.

The “mission” was documented in this Tweet by Michael Bueckert, a Canadian researcher who has been monitoring the app since last year.


The reality is very different from the app’s claims.

As my colleague Adri Nieuwhof explains, Corbyn hosted a meeting titled “Never Again – For Anyone” with Hajo Meyer, a survivor of the Auschwitz concentration camp and an anti-Zionist who spoke out strongly for Palestinian rights.

Meyer passed away in 2014.

The Act.IL app asks users to comment on Facebook in response to a Huffington Post UK story about Corbyn’s alleged “anti-Israel remarks,” which it claims are “often a way to hide anti-Semitism.”

The “mission” directs users to click “like” on a comment by Facebook user “Nancy Saada,” and write their own comments echoing her criticisms of Labour.

“Nancy” has posted elsewhere on her Facebook profile a photo of herself in an Israeli army uniform posing on an armored vehicle draped with an Israeli flag.

Israeli sabotage
As The Electronic Intifada reported earlier this year, the Act.IL app is a product of Israel’s strategic affairs ministry.

That ministry directs Israel’s covert efforts to sabotage the Palestine solidarity movement around the world.

Its top civil servant is a former army intelligence officer and the ministry is staffed by veterans of various spy agencies whose names are classified.

The Act.IL “mission” is another piece of evidence of the Israeli campaign of psychological warfare against Labour.

It is part of a long-running influence operation by Israel and its lobby groups to smear Corbyn, a veteran Palestine solidarity activist, and to label the party he leads “institutionally anti-Semitic.”

The operation also aims to push Labour, where there is strong support for Palestinian rights among the grassroots, in a more pro-Israel direction.

A covert element of the effort revealed last year by the undercover Al Jazeera documentary The Lobby involved attempts by the Israeli embassy to set up a grassroots pro-Israel organization for Labour youth.

The campaign has found support among the declining Labour right, including many of the party’s lawmakers, some of them involved with pro-Israel groups.

The Jewish Labour Movement, an anti-Palestinian group deeply linked to the Israeli government, has been at the forefront of the effort.

The group is run by Ella Rose, a former Israeli embassy officer.

Rose has privately admitted that as JLM director, she maintained close links to Shai Masot, the Israeli embassy spy forced to leave the country last year after the Al Jazeera investigation exposed him plotting to “take down” a senior UK government minister.

Masot was also spearheading the effort to manufacture a grassroots pro-Israel organization within the party, a tactic known as astroturfing.

JLM demands
Adam Langleben, the Jewish Labour Movement’s campaigns officer, issued his group’s latest demands on Corbyn on Monday.

These included that Labour adopt “unamended” the controversial IHRA definition of anti-Semitism which would define it as anti-Semitic to accurately describe the Israeli state as a “racist endeavor.”

The Israel lobby group is also demanding that Labour drop Chris Williamson – a leading leftist – as a lawmaker.

Instead of shutting down these claims as the bad faith attacks that they clearly are, Corbyn has continued a strategy of concession after concession that has only fueled the attacks.

He has rolled back his position on important matters of principle, like BDS – the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement for Palestinian rights.

In a Guardian opinion piece on Friday, Corbyn offered “dialogue with community organizations, including the Jewish Labour Movement” to discuss their demand that the IHRA document be adopted in full, even as he acknowledged that some of its provisions have “been used by those wanting to restrict criticism of Israel that is not anti-Semitic.”

It is unclear what Corbyn hopes to achieve in “dialogue” with a group that has close ties to a hostile foreign power committed to manipulating his party from within.

Not surprisingly, the JLM immediately dismissed Corbyn’s opinion piece as “another article bemoaning a situation.”

In his list of demands, the JLM’s Langleben admits that any concession Corbyn makes will not be enough.

“These measures would have been welcomed, and maybe even celebrated, two years ago,” he writes of his demands.

But now Langleben claims that matters have “reached the point of no return.”

“Decisive and significant actions, not words, are the only thing that can bring us back from the brink,” Langleben states.

He doesn’t say who must take this action, or what the action is.

This is certainly open to the interpretation that the Jewish Labour Movement expects the party to take the action of ousting its leader.


As for that “brink,” I warned in a widely shared Twitter thread last month that the Labour right and the Israel lobby may be planning a damaging split from the party.

Since I made that prediction, there are more signs that this could be coming to pass.

The most common response to my prediction on social media was to welcome their departure.

But be warned: Mainstream media which have fueled sensational and often baseless smears will falsely portray any combined exit of right-wing lawmakers and anti-Palestinian activists as an “exodus of Jews” from the Labour Party. And yes, columnists supporting them will probably even use the same hackneyed biblical allusion.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Goat Boy » 08 Aug 2018, 14:33

the gorton gollum wrote:So now we all have to suffer :(


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Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.


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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

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The ever incisive Jonathan Cook:

Labour’s crisis is over Israel, not anti-semitism
8 August 2018
If there is indeed an anti-semitism problem in the UK’s Labour party, it is not in the places where the British corporate media have been directing our attention. What can be said with even more certainty is that there is rampant hatred expressed towards Jews in the same British media that is currently decrying the supposed anti-semitism of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.

Here is a piece of what I hope is wisdom, earnt the hard way as a reporter in Israel over nearly two decades. I offer it in case it helps to resolve the confusion felt by some still pondering the endless reports of Labour’s supposed anti-semitism “crisis”.

Racism towards Palestinians
In the first year after my arrival in Israel in late 2001, during the most violent phase of Israel’s suppression of the Palestinians’ second intifada, I desperately tried to make sense of the events raging around me. Like most new reporters, I searched for experts – at that time, mostly leftwing Israeli analysts and academics. But the more I listened, the less I understood. I felt like a ball in a pinball machine, bounced from one hair-trigger to the next.

My problem was exacerbated by the fact that, unlike my colleagues, I had chosen to locate myself in Nazareth, the largest Palestinian city in Israel, rather than in a Jewish area or in the occupied territories. The conflict between Israelis and Palestinians seemed much more complex when viewed through the prism of Palestinian “citizens” living inside a self-declared Jewish state.

The Israeli experts I contacted deplored the brutality of the occupation unequivocally and in ways it was difficult not to admire, given the morass of anti-Palestinian sentiment and self-righteousness into which the rest of Israeli society was rapidly sinking. But each time I latched on to such an Israeli in the hope of deepening my own understanding, something they said would knock me sideways.

As readily as they condemned the occupation, they would laud the self-evidently bogus liberal democratic credentials of a Jewish state, one that I could see from my location in Nazareth was structurally organised to deny equal rights to its Palestinian citizens. Or the experts would echo the Israeli government’s inciteful claims that this largely quiescent Palestinian minority in Israel – a fifth of the population – was at best a demographic threat to the Jewish majority, and at worst a Trojan horse secretly working to destroy the Jewish state from within.

The very racism towards Palestinians in the occupied territories these experts eschewed, they readily flaunted when discussing Palestinians inside Israel. Were they really leftists or covert ethnic chauvinists?

Appearances can be deceptive
It was many months before I could make sense of this puzzle. An answer was only possible when I factored in the Israeli state’s official ideology: Zionism.

Israeli leftists who were also avowed Zionists – the vast majority of them – saw the conflict exclusively through the colonial prism of their own ethnic privilege. They didn’t much care for Palestinians or their rights. Their opposition to the occupation was barely related to the tangible harm it did to the Palestinian population.

Rather, they wanted an end to the occupation because they believed it brutalised and corrupted Israeli Jewish society, seeping into its pores like a toxin. Or they wanted the occupation to end because the combined populations of Palestinians in “Greater Israel” – in the occupied territories and inside Israel – would soon outnumber Jews, leading, they feared, to comparisons with apartheid South Africa. They wanted Israel out of all or most of the occupied territories, cutting off these areas like a gangrenous limb threatening the rest of the body’s health.

Only later, when I started to meet anti-Zionist Jews, did I find an opposition to the occupation rooted in a respect for the rights and dignity of the Palestinians in the territories. And because their position was an ethical, rights-based one, rather than motivated by opportunism and self-interest, these anti-Zionist Jews also cared about ending discrimination against the one in five Israeli citizens who were Palestinian. Unlike my experts, they were morally consistent.

I raise this, because the lesson I eventually learnt was this: you should never assume that, because someone has adopted a moral position you share, their view is based on the moral principles that led you to adopt that position. The motives of those you stand alongside can be very different from your own. People can express a morally sound view for morally dubious, or even outright immoral, reasons. If you ally yourself with such people, you will invariably be disappointed or betrayed.

There was another, more particular lesson. Ostensible support for Palestinians may in fact be cover for other ways of oppressing them.

And so it has been with most of those warning of an anti-semitism “crisis” in Labour. Anti-semitism, like all racisms, is to be denounced. But not all denunciations of it are what they seem. And not all professions of support for Palestinians should be taken at face value.

The vilification of Corbyn
Most reasonable observers, especially if they are not Jewish, instinctively recoil from criticising a Jew who is highlighting anti-semitism. It is that insulation from criticism, that protective shield, that encouraged Labour MP Margaret Hodge recently to launch in public a verbal assault on Corbyn, vilifying him, against all evidence, as an “anti-semite and racist”.

It was that same protective shield that led to Labour officials dropping an investigation of Hodge, even though it is surely beyond doubt that her actions brought the party “into disrepute” – in this case, in a flagrant manner hard to imagine being equalled. This is the same party, remember, that recently expelled Marc Wadsworth, a prominent black anti-racism activist, on precisely those grounds after he accused Jewish Labour MP Ruth Smeeth of colluding with rightwing newspapers to undermine Corbyn.

The Labour party is so hamstrung by fears about anti-semitism, it seems, that it decided that an activist (Wadsworth) denigrating a Labour MP (Smeeth) is more damaging to the party’s reputation than a Labour MP (Hodge) vilifying the party’s leader (Corbyn). In this twisted set of priorities, a suspicion of possible racism towards a Jewish MP served to justify actual racism against a black party activist.

But the perversion of Labour party values goes much further. Recent events have proven that party officials have decisively prioritised the rights of diehard supporters of Israel among British Jewry to defend Israel at all costs over the right of others, including Jews, to speak out about the continuing brutalisation of Palestinians by Israel’s occupation regime.

Hodge and the other Labour MPs trumpeting anti-semitism might be entitled to the benefit of the doubt – that they truly fear anti-semitism is on the rise in the Labour party – had they not repeatedly indulged in the kind of anti-semitism they themselves have deplored.

What do I mean?

When they speak of an anti-semitism “crisis” in the party, these Labour MPs – and the fervently pro-Israel lobby groups behind them like the Jewish Labour Movement – intentionally gloss over the fact that many of the prominent activists who have been investigated, suspended or expelled for anti-semitism in recent months – fuelling the claim of a “crisis” – are in fact Jewish.

Why are the “Jewish” sensitivities of Margaret Hodge, Ruth Smeeth or Louise Ellman more important than those of Moshe Machover, Tony Greenstein, Cyril Chilson, Jackie Walker or Glyn Secker – all Labour activists who have found their sensitivities, as Jews opposing the abuse of Palestinians, count for little or nothing among Labour officials? Why must we tiptoe around Hodge because she is Jewish, ignoring her bullygirl tactics to promote her political agenda in defence of Israel, but crack down on Greenstein and Chilson, even though they are Jewish, to silence their voices in defence of the rights of Palestinians?

‘Wrong kind of Jews’
The problem runs deeper still. Labour MPs like Hodge, Smeeth, Ellman and John Mann have stoked the anti-semitic predilections of the British media, which has been only too ready to indict “bad Jews” while extolling “good Jews”.

That was only too evident earlier this year when Corbyn tried to put out the fire that such Labour MPs had intentionally fuelled. He joined Jewdas, a satirical leftwing Jewish group that is critical of Israel, for a Passover meal. He was roundly condemned for the move.

Jewdas were declared by rightwing Jewish establishment organisations like the Board of Deputies and by the British corporate media as the “wrong kind of Jews”, or even as not “real” Jews. In the view of the Board and the media, Corbyn was tainted by his association with them.

How are Jewdas the “wrong kind of Jews”? Because they do not reflexively kneel before Israel. Ignore Corbyn for a moment. Did Labour MPs Hodge, Ellman or Smeeth speak out in the defence of fellow Jews under attack over their Jewishness? No, they did not.

If Greenstein and Chilson are being excommunicated as (Jewish) “anti-semites” for their full-throated condemnations of Israel’s institutional racism, why are Hodge and Ellman not equally anti-semites for their collusion in the vilification of supposedly “bad” or “phoney” Jews like Jewdas, Greenstein and Chilson.

It should be clear that this anti-semitism “crisis” is not chiefly about respecting Jewish sensitivities or even about Jewish identity. It is about protecting the sensitivities of some Jews on Israel, a state oppressing and dispossessing the Palestinian people.

Policing debates on Israel
When the Guardian’s senior columnist Jonathan Freedland insists that his Jewish identity is intimately tied to Israel, and that to attack Israel is to attack him personally, he is demanding the exclusive right to police the parameters of discussions about Israel. He is asserting his right, over the rights of other Jews – and, of course, Palestinians – to determine what the boundaries of political discourse on Israel are, and where the red lines denoting anti-semitism are drawn.

This is why Labour MPs like Hodge and journalists like Freedland are at the centre of another confected anti-semitism row in the Labour party: over the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition of anti-semitism and an associated set of examples. They want all the IHRA’s examples adopted by Labour, not just most of them.

There are very clear, existing definitions of anti-semitism. They are variations of the simple formulation: “Anti-semitism is the hatred of Jews for being Jews.” But the IHRA takes this clear definition and muddies it to the point that all sorts of political debates can be viewed as potentially anti-semitic, as leading jurists have warned (see here and here).

That is only undercored by the fact that a majority of the IHRA’s examples of anti-semitism relate to Israel – a nuclear-armed state now constitutionally designed to privilege Jews over non-Jews inside its recognised borders and engaged in a half-century of brutal military occupation of the Palestinian people outside its borders.

To be fair to the drafters of the IHRA guidelines, these examples were supposed only to be treated as potentially anti-semitic, depending on the context. That is the express view of the definition’s drafter, Kenneth Stern, a Jewish lawyer, who has warned that the guidelines are being perverted to silence criticism of Israel and stifle free speech.

And who are leading precisely the moves that Stern has warned against? People like Jonathan Freedland and Margaret Hodge, cheered on by large swaths of Labour MPs, who have strongly implied that Corbyn and his allies in the party are anti-semitic for sharing Stern’s concerns.

Hodge and Freedland are desperate to strong-arm the Labour party into setting the IHRA guidelines in stone, as the unchallengeable, definitive new definition of anti-semitism. That will relieve them of the arduous task of policing those discourse boundaries on the basis of evidence and of context. They will have a ready-made, one-size-fits-all definition to foreclose almost all serious debate about Israel.

Want to suggest that Israel’s new Nation-State Law, giving Jewish citizens constitutionally guaranteed rights denied to non-Jewish citizens, is proof of the institutional racism on which political Zionism is premised and that was enshrined in the founding principles of the state of Israel? Well, you just violated one of the IHRA guidelines by arguing that Israel is a “racist endeavour”. If Freedland and Hodge get their way, you would be certain to be declared an anti-semite and expelled from the Labour party.

Grovelling apology
Revealing how cynical this manoeuvring by Hodge, Freedland and others is, one only has to inspect the faux-outrage over the latest “anti-semitism crisis” involving Corbyn. He has been forced to make a grovelling apology – one that deeply discredits him – for hosting an anti-racism conference in 2010 at which a speaker made a comparison between Israel’s treatment of Palestinians and the Nazis’ treatment of Jews. That violated another of the IHRA examples.

But again, what none of these anti-semitism warriors has wanted to highlight is that the speaker given a platform at the conference was the late Hajo Meyer, a Jewish Holocaust survivor who dedicated his later years to supporting Palestinian rights. Who, if not Meyer, deserved the right to make such a comparison? And to imply that he was an anti-semite because he prioritised Palestinian rights over the preservation of Israel’s privileges for Jews is truly contemptible.

In fact, it is more than that. It is far closer to anti-semitism than the behaviour of Jewish critics of Israel like Greenstein and Chilson, who have been expelled from the Labour party. To intentionally exploit and vilify a Holocaust survivor for cheap, short-term political advantage – in an attempt to damage Corbyn – is malevolence of the worst kind.

Having stoked fears of an anti-semitism crisis, Hodge, Freedland and others have actively sought to obscure the wider context in which it must be judged – as, in large part, a painful debate raging inside the Jewish community. It is a debate between fervently pro-Israel Jewish establishment groups and a growing body of marginalised anti-Zionist Jewish activists who wish to show solidarity with the Palestinians. Labour is not suffering from an “anti-semitism crisis”; it is mired in an “Israel crisis”.

‘Repulsive’ campaign
In their silence about the abuses of Meyer, Jewdas, Greenstein, Chilson and many others, Freedland and Hodge have shown that they do not really care about the safety or sensitivities of Jews. What they chiefly care about is protecting their chosen cause of Israel, and crippling the chances of a committed supporter of Palestinian rights from ever reaching power. They are prepared to sacrifice other Jews, even victims of the Holocaust, as well as the Labour party itself, for that kind of political gain.

Hodge and Freedland are behaving as though they are decent Jews, the only ones who have the right to a voice and to sensitivities. They are wrong.

They are like the experts I first met in Israel who concealed their racism towards Palestinians by flaunting their self-serving anti-occupation credentials. Under the cover of concerns about anti-semitism, Freedland and Hodge have helped stoke hatred – either explicitly or through their silence – towards the “wrong kind of Jews”, towards Jews whose critical views of Israel they fear.

It does not have to be this way. Rather than foreclose it, they could allow a debate to flourish within Britain’s Jewish community and within the Labour party. They could admit that not only is there no evidence that Corbyn is racist, but that he has clearly been committed to fighting racism all his life.

Don’t want to take my word for it? You don’t have to. Listen instead to Stephen Oryszczuk, foreign editor of the Corbyn-hating Jewish News. His newspaper was one of three Jewish weeklies that recently published the same front-page editorial claiming that Corbyn was an “existential threat” to British Jews.

Oryszczuk, even if no friend to the Labour leader, deplored the behaviour of his own newspaper. In an interview, he observed of this campaign to vilify Corbyn: “It’s repulsive. This is a dedicated anti-racist we’re trashing. I just don’t buy into it at all.” He added of Corbyn: “I don’t believe he’s antisemitic, nor do most reasonable people. He’s anti-Israel and that’s not the same.”

Oryszczuk conceded that some people were weaponising anti-semitism and that these individuals were “certainly out to get him [Corbyn]”. Unlike Freedland and Hodge, he was also prepared to admit that some voices in the Jewish community were being actively silenced: “It’s partly our fault, in the mainstream Jewish media. We could – and arguably should – have done a better job at giving a voice to Jews who think differently, for which I personally feel a little ashamed. … On Israel today, what you hear publicly tends to be very uniform.”

And that is exactly how Hodge and Freedland would like to keep it – in the Labour party, in the Jewish community, and in wider British society.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby The Prof » 08 Aug 2018, 20:41

Tonto Papadopoulos wrote:As The Electronic Intifada reported earlier this year, the Act.IL app is a product of Israel’s strategic affairs ministry.


I was reading about that app and website this morning in relation to the Irish proposed boycott of next year's Eurovision Song contest.

Ireland are in general sympathetic to the Palestinian cause and one of the national dailies ran a poll to judge it's readers opinion of an Irish boycott of the contest. It was running at something like 65% in favour of the boycott until the poll flagged up on Act.il and suddenly voters sympathetic to Israel from around the globe not only swung the poll around massively but managed to vote several times per person following instructions on the app.