Pansy Puff wrote:yomptepi wrote:Pansy Puff wrote:
I agree. My point was that any changes in stamp duty shouldn't be retrospectively applied, just like any changes in student loans. It would be nice and it would be fair, but it's real pie in the sky.
Just like every other item in the manifesto. Pie in the sky. Did anyone ever point out to you that we are broke. ( thanks to a Labour government)
I can only assume you are deliberately misunderstanding what I have written. No one is that stupid.
Read. What. I. Wrote.
This bit in bold.
I think you miss my point. But I will play if you like.
of course taxes should not be levied retrospectively. That would be grossly unfair and hugely unpopular.
With student loans you have more of a problem. You either admit that it was mistake for Blair's Labour government to introduce them in the first place ( despite his promises that he would do no such thing), and let everyone off the debts they have, and return their repayments. Thus everyone who suffered at the hands of the policy is treated equally, and you get the bonus of about three million votes ( and some singing). Or you simply stop all future loans, and go back to a free system, and just tell those that have paid thousands and thousands in loan repayments that it is just tough. Which means there are ( for arguments sake) three million people who will no longer sing for you, and who quite possibly will never ever vote for you again. You also have the added problem that young people who do now have free university education do not normally vote, and within a week they will all have forgotten about how they could have had student debt, and will once again be spending all their grant money on cocktails and skunk, and will have forgotten all about kind uncle Jezza. And his song.
Also you are either billion a year worse off ( for ever)
Or you are 100 billion worse off. and 9 billion a year worse ( for ever)
Neither are sums of money you have, or are likely to have in the next 20 years, especially with Heathrow expansion and HS2 to pay for.
So Corbyn's play was to lie to the student's for short term popularity, and some bonus singing. Once the student's realised they had been duped, you will notice that the special festival arranged by the Corbyn Stasi,failed to attract any students at all, and there was no singing, except a rather embarrassed group of witless devotee's.
Which is why any change to student debt will be dependent upon freeing ALL students from their debts, not just the university aged children of the current Labour party. And why it is not comparable with levying a tax retrospectively. Student loans are not a tax. They are a loan.
And before you start, I think student loans are a terrible idea.
I also think sending 50% of young people to university is a terrible idea.