The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby The Prof » 03 Sep 2018, 11:37

yomptepi wrote:His policies are non existent and his economic plans are nonsense.


All fully costed out, I believe.

"Scrap student tuition fees
Nationalisation of England's nine water companies.
Re-introduce the 50p rate of tax on the highest earners (above £123,000)
Income tax rate 45p on £80,000 and above
More free childcare, expanding free provisions for two, three and four year olds
Guarantee triple lock for pensioner incomes
End to zero hours contracts
Hire 10,000 new police officers, 3,000 new firefighters
Moves to charge companies a levy on salaries above £330,000
Deliver rail electrification "including in Wales and the South West".

**Renationalisation**
Bring the railways back into public ownership as franchises expire
Regain control of energy supply networks through the alteration of operator license conditions, and transition to a publicly owned, decentralised energy system
Replace water system with a network of regional publicly-owned water companies
Reverse the privatisation of Royal Mail "at the earliest opportunity"
Create at least one publicly-owned energy company in every region of the UK, with public control of the transmission and distribution grids.

**The economy**
Extra tax take in total £48.6bn
£6.4bn from income tax from the top 5%
Extra £19.4bn from corporation tax
£6.5bn from tax avoidance programme
Income tax rate 45p on earnings of £80,000 and above - and 50p to be reintroduced on earnings above £123,000
Boost wages of 5.7m people earning less than minimum wage to £10 an hour by 2020
Create a National Transformation Fund that will invest £250bn over 10 years in upgrading the economy
Deliver universal superfast broadband availability by 2022
A National Investment Bank as part of a plan to provide £250bn of lending power over the next decade for infrastructure
Reinstate the lower small-business corporation tax rate
Scrap quarterly reporting for businesses with a turnover of under £85,000.

**Workers' rights**
An end to zero-hours contracts to guarantee workers a "number of hours each week"
Introduce four extra public holidays each year to mark national patron saints' days
Maximum pay ratios of 20:1 to be rolled out in public sector
Raise minimum wage to "at least £10 per hour by 2020"
Ban unpaid internships
"Clamp down on bogus self-employment" and extend rights of employees to all workers - including shared parental pay
Guarantee trade unions a right to access workplaces
End the public sector pay cap
Repeal the Trade Union Act and roll out sectoral collective bargaining, whereby industries can negotiate agreement as a whole
Enforce all workers' rights to trade union representation at work
Abolish employment tribunal fees - so that people have access to justice
Use public spending power to drive up standards, including only awarding public contracts to companies which recognise trade unions
Give all workers equal rights from day one, whether part-time or full-time, temporary or permanent
Shifting the burden of proof, so the law assumes a worker is an employee unless the employer can prove otherwise.

**Education**
Reintroduce maintenance grants for university students and abolish university tuition fees
A National Education Service for England to incorporate all forms of education
Overhaul existing childcare system and extend 30 hours of free childcare to all two year olds
Promise to reduce class sizes to "less than 30" for five, six, and seven-year-olds
Devolve responsibility for skills to city regions or devolved administrations
Free school meals for all primary school children, paid for by removing the VAT exemption on private school fees.

**Health and social care**
Deliver safe staffing levels and reduce waiting lists
End hospital car parking charges
One million people will be taken off NHS waiting lists by "guaranteeing access to treatment within 18 weeks"
Scrap NHS pay cap
NHS will receive more than £30bn in extra funding over the next parliament
Mental health budgets will be ring-fenced, and Labour will ensure all children in secondary schools have access to a counselling service.
Social security and pensions
pensionersImage copyrightPA
Cuts to bereavement support payment will be scrapped, as will the bedroom tax and the "punitive sanctions regime"
Reinstate housing benefit for under-21s
Guarantee state pension triple lock, as well as the winter fuel allowance and free bus passes
"Rejects" proposal to increase state pension age further
A commitment to "protect the pensions of UK citizens living overseas in the EU or further afield".

**Energy**
Ensure that 60% of the UK's energy comes from zero-carbon or renewable sources by 2030
A ban on fracking
Nuclear power "will continue to be part of the UK energy supply"
Introduce an immediate emergency energy price cap to ensure the average dual fuel household energy bill remains below £1,000 per year
Maintaining access to the EU's internal energy market and retaining access to nuclear research programme Euratom will be a priority in Brexit negotiations.

**Housing**
Build over one million more homes, with at least half for social rent
Homeowners willbe offered interest free loans to improve their properties
Guarantee help to buy funding until 2027 and give locals buying their first home "first dibs on new homes built in their area"
Legislate to ban letting agency fees for tenants, and look at giving the Mayor of London power to give London renters "additional security"
Make 4,000 additional homes available for rough sleepers to end homelessness.

**Transport**
Extend high speed rail link HS2 to Scotland
Build a new Brighton main line for the SouthEast
Build Crossrail 2 - to run north-south through London between Hertfordshire and Surrey - "to ensure our capital continues to prosper"
Recognise the need for additional airport capacity in the South East (but there's no mention of Heathrow).

**Families and communities**
30 hours free childcare to be extended to two-year-olds and "some" to one-year-olds
An end to the so-called "rape clause" - part of the policy of restricting child tax credits to the first two children in a family. It means mothers who have a third child as a result of rape can be exempted, but would have to provide evidence in order to do so
A review into reforming council tax and business rates, in favour of options such as a land value tax
A national review of local pubs to examine the causes for their large-scale demise, as well as establishing a joint taskforce that will consider future sustainability.

**Democracy**
Scottish Parliament
Labour opposes a second Scottish independence referendum
Establish a Scottish Investment Bank, with £20bn for local projects and Scotland's small businesses, creating work and stimulating the economy
Build on the Development Bank of Wales using more than £10bn from Labour's new National Investment Bank
Continue to fully support the principles and structures inherent within the Good
Friday Agreement

**Foreign policy/Defence**
Support the renewal of the Trident submarine system
Work with international partners and the UN on multilateral disarmament "to create a nuclear-free world"
Commit to the Nato benchmark of spending at least 2% of GDP on defence
Will have a complete strategic defence and security review
Insulate the homes of disabled veterans for free.

**Migration**
Labour will not "scapegoat migrants" and will not set a cap on immigration, describing targets as "bogus"
International students will not be included in immigration numbers, but the party will crack down on "fake colleges".
Labour believes in the "reasonable management of migration" but "will not make false promises on immigration numbers".

**Brexit**
Accept the EU referendum result and "build a close new relationship with the EU" prioritising jobs and and workers' rights
Guarantee the rights of EU nationals living in the UK and work to "secure reciprocal rights" for UK citizens elsewhere in the EU
A "meaningful" role for Parliament throughout Brexit negotiations
Scrap Conservatives' Brexit White Paper and replace with "fresh negotiating priorities" with strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the single market and customs union
Reject no deal as a viable option and if needs be negotiate transitional arrangements "to avoid a cliff-edge for the UK economy"
Keep EU-derived laws on workers' rights, equality, consumer rights and environmental protections
Maintain UK's leading research role by seeking to stay part of Horizon 2020 and its successor programmes
Seek to maintain membership of European organisations which offer benefits to the UK such as Euratom and the European Medicines Agency
Will not allow Brexit to be used as an excuse to undercut UK farmers and flood Britain's food chain with cheap and inferior produce."

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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Copehead » 03 Sep 2018, 12:11

Deebank wrote:[ But it has proved to be a useful jemmy to prise apart an already divided Labour Party.



But that's just wrong isn't it? The Labour Party has scarcely ever been more united around its political program than it is now.

It is the PLP which is divided; what you have is a shrill bunch of Blairite MPs and their co-dependents in the media who cannot come to terms with their total sidelining in recent years, unable to come to terms with Corbyn's rather obvious success in turning the Labour Party into a popular mass movement.

For some like Hodge this is personal and goes back through the years of North London politics and she will not shut up until she is booted out of the party, which can't happen soon enough; others, like Chuckles, see potential ministerial careers slipping away. It is their own fault, Corbyn handed out olive branches and shadow ministerial positions and they thanked him with the Chicken Coup, amusingly all that did was cement his leadership position even more strongly and brought tens of thousands of left wingers into the party. Then came his remarkable performance in the election when Toby and Mike went from crowing about 200 seat majorities for the Tories into skidaddling off into the ether come election night when he posted one of the greatest election come backs in history. Just think what might have happened if the Blairites hadn't so completely fucked up the position in Scotland, there is little doubt that another week of campaigning would have given Labour the largest number of seats.

I am all for a broad church leftist movement but there has to be some common decency and support for the Party's program and some people, like Hodge, obviously have neither. Fuck 'em, bite the bullet, kick them out, the press is going to scream blue murder whether you do or don't; the good thing about it is it can all be done under the sheltering umbrella of Party Democracy. This isn't like Blair and his successors bums rushing left wingers out of the party in kangaroo courts, this will be CLPs voting to have an MP who actually reflects the views of the Party and the wider electorate.

It will be interesting to see how they try and spin party democracy as anti-democratic, but they will.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Copehead » 03 Sep 2018, 12:13

The Prof wrote:
yomptepi wrote:His policies are non existent and his economic plans are nonsense.


All fully costed out, I believe.

"Scrap student tuition fees
Nationalisation of England's nine water companies.
Re-introduce the 50p rate of tax on the highest earners (above £123,000)
Income tax rate 45p on £80,000 and above
More free childcare, expanding free provisions for two, three and four year olds
Guarantee triple lock for pensioner incomes
End to zero hours contracts
Hire 10,000 new police officers, 3,000 new firefighters
Moves to charge companies a levy on salaries above £330,000
Deliver rail electrification "including in Wales and the South West".

**Renationalisation**
Bring the railways back into public ownership as franchises expire
Regain control of energy supply networks through the alteration of operator license conditions, and transition to a publicly owned, decentralised energy system
Replace water system with a network of regional publicly-owned water companies
Reverse the privatisation of Royal Mail "at the earliest opportunity"
Create at least one publicly-owned energy company in every region of the UK, with public control of the transmission and distribution grids.

**The economy**
Extra tax take in total £48.6bn
£6.4bn from income tax from the top 5%
Extra £19.4bn from corporation tax
£6.5bn from tax avoidance programme
Income tax rate 45p on earnings of £80,000 and above - and 50p to be reintroduced on earnings above £123,000
Boost wages of 5.7m people earning less than minimum wage to £10 an hour by 2020
Create a National Transformation Fund that will invest £250bn over 10 years in upgrading the economy
Deliver universal superfast broadband availability by 2022
A National Investment Bank as part of a plan to provide £250bn of lending power over the next decade for infrastructure
Reinstate the lower small-business corporation tax rate
Scrap quarterly reporting for businesses with a turnover of under £85,000.

**Workers' rights**
An end to zero-hours contracts to guarantee workers a "number of hours each week"
Introduce four extra public holidays each year to mark national patron saints' days
Maximum pay ratios of 20:1 to be rolled out in public sector
Raise minimum wage to "at least £10 per hour by 2020"
Ban unpaid internships
"Clamp down on bogus self-employment" and extend rights of employees to all workers - including shared parental pay
Guarantee trade unions a right to access workplaces
End the public sector pay cap
Repeal the Trade Union Act and roll out sectoral collective bargaining, whereby industries can negotiate agreement as a whole
Enforce all workers' rights to trade union representation at work
Abolish employment tribunal fees - so that people have access to justice
Use public spending power to drive up standards, including only awarding public contracts to companies which recognise trade unions
Give all workers equal rights from day one, whether part-time or full-time, temporary or permanent
Shifting the burden of proof, so the law assumes a worker is an employee unless the employer can prove otherwise.

**Education**
Reintroduce maintenance grants for university students and abolish university tuition fees
A National Education Service for England to incorporate all forms of education
Overhaul existing childcare system and extend 30 hours of free childcare to all two year olds
Promise to reduce class sizes to "less than 30" for five, six, and seven-year-olds
Devolve responsibility for skills to city regions or devolved administrations
Free school meals for all primary school children, paid for by removing the VAT exemption on private school fees.

**Health and social care**
Deliver safe staffing levels and reduce waiting lists
End hospital car parking charges
One million people will be taken off NHS waiting lists by "guaranteeing access to treatment within 18 weeks"
Scrap NHS pay cap
NHS will receive more than £30bn in extra funding over the next parliament
Mental health budgets will be ring-fenced, and Labour will ensure all children in secondary schools have access to a counselling service.
Social security and pensions
pensionersImage copyrightPA
Cuts to bereavement support payment will be scrapped, as will the bedroom tax and the "punitive sanctions regime"
Reinstate housing benefit for under-21s
Guarantee state pension triple lock, as well as the winter fuel allowance and free bus passes
"Rejects" proposal to increase state pension age further
A commitment to "protect the pensions of UK citizens living overseas in the EU or further afield".

**Energy**
Ensure that 60% of the UK's energy comes from zero-carbon or renewable sources by 2030
A ban on fracking
Nuclear power "will continue to be part of the UK energy supply"
Introduce an immediate emergency energy price cap to ensure the average dual fuel household energy bill remains below £1,000 per year
Maintaining access to the EU's internal energy market and retaining access to nuclear research programme Euratom will be a priority in Brexit negotiations.

**Housing**
Build over one million more homes, with at least half for social rent
Homeowners willbe offered interest free loans to improve their properties
Guarantee help to buy funding until 2027 and give locals buying their first home "first dibs on new homes built in their area"
Legislate to ban letting agency fees for tenants, and look at giving the Mayor of London power to give London renters "additional security"
Make 4,000 additional homes available for rough sleepers to end homelessness.

**Transport**
Extend high speed rail link HS2 to Scotland
Build a new Brighton main line for the SouthEast
Build Crossrail 2 - to run north-south through London between Hertfordshire and Surrey - "to ensure our capital continues to prosper"
Recognise the need for additional airport capacity in the South East (but there's no mention of Heathrow).

**Families and communities**
30 hours free childcare to be extended to two-year-olds and "some" to one-year-olds
An end to the so-called "rape clause" - part of the policy of restricting child tax credits to the first two children in a family. It means mothers who have a third child as a result of rape can be exempted, but would have to provide evidence in order to do so
A review into reforming council tax and business rates, in favour of options such as a land value tax
A national review of local pubs to examine the causes for their large-scale demise, as well as establishing a joint taskforce that will consider future sustainability.

**Democracy**
Scottish Parliament
Labour opposes a second Scottish independence referendum
Establish a Scottish Investment Bank, with £20bn for local projects and Scotland's small businesses, creating work and stimulating the economy
Build on the Development Bank of Wales using more than £10bn from Labour's new National Investment Bank
Continue to fully support the principles and structures inherent within the Good
Friday Agreement

**Foreign policy/Defence**
Support the renewal of the Trident submarine system
Work with international partners and the UN on multilateral disarmament "to create a nuclear-free world"
Commit to the Nato benchmark of spending at least 2% of GDP on defence
Will have a complete strategic defence and security review
Insulate the homes of disabled veterans for free.

**Migration**
Labour will not "scapegoat migrants" and will not set a cap on immigration, describing targets as "bogus"
International students will not be included in immigration numbers, but the party will crack down on "fake colleges".
Labour believes in the "reasonable management of migration" but "will not make false promises on immigration numbers".

**Brexit**
Accept the EU referendum result and "build a close new relationship with the EU" prioritising jobs and and workers' rights
Guarantee the rights of EU nationals living in the UK and work to "secure reciprocal rights" for UK citizens elsewhere in the EU
A "meaningful" role for Parliament throughout Brexit negotiations
Scrap Conservatives' Brexit White Paper and replace with "fresh negotiating priorities" with strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the single market and customs union
Reject no deal as a viable option and if needs be negotiate transitional arrangements "to avoid a cliff-edge for the UK economy"
Keep EU-derived laws on workers' rights, equality, consumer rights and environmental protections
Maintain UK's leading research role by seeking to stay part of Horizon 2020 and its successor programmes
Seek to maintain membership of European organisations which offer benefits to the UK such as Euratom and the European Medicines Agency
Will not allow Brexit to be used as an excuse to undercut UK farmers and flood Britain's food chain with cheap and inferior produce."


Hush, you can't expect Mike to google "Labour manifesto" can you?
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby The Prof » 03 Sep 2018, 12:34

Copehead wrote:
Hush, you can't expect Mike to google "Labour manifesto" can you?


I got this for him whan I was in London the other week. I'll post it on when I've finished it.

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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby yomptepi » 03 Sep 2018, 12:46

Well he does appeal to children, doesn't he?
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby yomptepi » 03 Sep 2018, 12:47

The Prof wrote:
yomptepi wrote:His policies are non existent and his economic plans are nonsense.


All fully costed out, I believe.

"Scrap student tuition fees
Nationalisation of England's nine water companies.
Re-introduce the 50p rate of tax on the highest earners (above £123,000)
Income tax rate 45p on £80,000 and above
More free childcare, expanding free provisions for two, three and four year olds
Guarantee triple lock for pensioner incomes
End to zero hours contracts
Hire 10,000 new police officers, 3,000 new firefighters
Moves to charge companies a levy on salaries above £330,000
Deliver rail electrification "including in Wales and the South West".

**Renationalisation**
Bring the railways back into public ownership as franchises expire
Regain control of energy supply networks through the alteration of operator license conditions, and transition to a publicly owned, decentralised energy system
Replace water system with a network of regional publicly-owned water companies
Reverse the privatisation of Royal Mail "at the earliest opportunity"
Create at least one publicly-owned energy company in every region of the UK, with public control of the transmission and distribution grids.

**The economy**
Extra tax take in total £48.6bn
£6.4bn from income tax from the top 5%
Extra £19.4bn from corporation tax
£6.5bn from tax avoidance programme
Income tax rate 45p on earnings of £80,000 and above - and 50p to be reintroduced on earnings above £123,000
Boost wages of 5.7m people earning less than minimum wage to £10 an hour by 2020
Create a National Transformation Fund that will invest £250bn over 10 years in upgrading the economy
Deliver universal superfast broadband availability by 2022
A National Investment Bank as part of a plan to provide £250bn of lending power over the next decade for infrastructure
Reinstate the lower small-business corporation tax rate
Scrap quarterly reporting for businesses with a turnover of under £85,000.

**Workers' rights**
An end to zero-hours contracts to guarantee workers a "number of hours each week"
Introduce four extra public holidays each year to mark national patron saints' days
Maximum pay ratios of 20:1 to be rolled out in public sector
Raise minimum wage to "at least £10 per hour by 2020"
Ban unpaid internships
"Clamp down on bogus self-employment" and extend rights of employees to all workers - including shared parental pay
Guarantee trade unions a right to access workplaces
End the public sector pay cap
Repeal the Trade Union Act and roll out sectoral collective bargaining, whereby industries can negotiate agreement as a whole
Enforce all workers' rights to trade union representation at work
Abolish employment tribunal fees - so that people have access to justice
Use public spending power to drive up standards, including only awarding public contracts to companies which recognise trade unions
Give all workers equal rights from day one, whether part-time or full-time, temporary or permanent
Shifting the burden of proof, so the law assumes a worker is an employee unless the employer can prove otherwise.

**Education**
Reintroduce maintenance grants for university students and abolish university tuition fees
A National Education Service for England to incorporate all forms of education
Overhaul existing childcare system and extend 30 hours of free childcare to all two year olds
Promise to reduce class sizes to "less than 30" for five, six, and seven-year-olds
Devolve responsibility for skills to city regions or devolved administrations
Free school meals for all primary school children, paid for by removing the VAT exemption on private school fees.

**Health and social care**
Deliver safe staffing levels and reduce waiting lists
End hospital car parking charges
One million people will be taken off NHS waiting lists by "guaranteeing access to treatment within 18 weeks"
Scrap NHS pay cap
NHS will receive more than £30bn in extra funding over the next parliament
Mental health budgets will be ring-fenced, and Labour will ensure all children in secondary schools have access to a counselling service.
Social security and pensions
pensionersImage copyrightPA
Cuts to bereavement support payment will be scrapped, as will the bedroom tax and the "punitive sanctions regime"
Reinstate housing benefit for under-21s
Guarantee state pension triple lock, as well as the winter fuel allowance and free bus passes
"Rejects" proposal to increase state pension age further
A commitment to "protect the pensions of UK citizens living overseas in the EU or further afield".

**Energy**
Ensure that 60% of the UK's energy comes from zero-carbon or renewable sources by 2030
A ban on fracking
Nuclear power "will continue to be part of the UK energy supply"
Introduce an immediate emergency energy price cap to ensure the average dual fuel household energy bill remains below £1,000 per year
Maintaining access to the EU's internal energy market and retaining access to nuclear research programme Euratom will be a priority in Brexit negotiations.

**Housing**
Build over one million more homes, with at least half for social rent
Homeowners willbe offered interest free loans to improve their properties
Guarantee help to buy funding until 2027 and give locals buying their first home "first dibs on new homes built in their area"
Legislate to ban letting agency fees for tenants, and look at giving the Mayor of London power to give London renters "additional security"
Make 4,000 additional homes available for rough sleepers to end homelessness.

**Transport**
Extend high speed rail link HS2 to Scotland
Build a new Brighton main line for the SouthEast
Build Crossrail 2 - to run north-south through London between Hertfordshire and Surrey - "to ensure our capital continues to prosper"
Recognise the need for additional airport capacity in the South East (but there's no mention of Heathrow).

**Families and communities**
30 hours free childcare to be extended to two-year-olds and "some" to one-year-olds
An end to the so-called "rape clause" - part of the policy of restricting child tax credits to the first two children in a family. It means mothers who have a third child as a result of rape can be exempted, but would have to provide evidence in order to do so
A review into reforming council tax and business rates, in favour of options such as a land value tax
A national review of local pubs to examine the causes for their large-scale demise, as well as establishing a joint taskforce that will consider future sustainability.

**Democracy**
Scottish Parliament
Labour opposes a second Scottish independence referendum
Establish a Scottish Investment Bank, with £20bn for local projects and Scotland's small businesses, creating work and stimulating the economy
Build on the Development Bank of Wales using more than £10bn from Labour's new National Investment Bank
Continue to fully support the principles and structures inherent within the Good
Friday Agreement

**Foreign policy/Defence**
Support the renewal of the Trident submarine system
Work with international partners and the UN on multilateral disarmament "to create a nuclear-free world"
Commit to the Nato benchmark of spending at least 2% of GDP on defence
Will have a complete strategic defence and security review
Insulate the homes of disabled veterans for free.

**Migration**
Labour will not "scapegoat migrants" and will not set a cap on immigration, describing targets as "bogus"
International students will not be included in immigration numbers, but the party will crack down on "fake colleges".
Labour believes in the "reasonable management of migration" but "will not make false promises on immigration numbers".

**Brexit**
Accept the EU referendum result and "build a close new relationship with the EU" prioritising jobs and and workers' rights
Guarantee the rights of EU nationals living in the UK and work to "secure reciprocal rights" for UK citizens elsewhere in the EU
A "meaningful" role for Parliament throughout Brexit negotiations
Scrap Conservatives' Brexit White Paper and replace with "fresh negotiating priorities" with strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the single market and customs union
Reject no deal as a viable option and if needs be negotiate transitional arrangements "to avoid a cliff-edge for the UK economy"
Keep EU-derived laws on workers' rights, equality, consumer rights and environmental protections
Maintain UK's leading research role by seeking to stay part of Horizon 2020 and its successor programmes
Seek to maintain membership of European organisations which offer benefits to the UK such as Euratom and the European Medicines Agency
Will not allow Brexit to be used as an excuse to undercut UK farmers and flood Britain's food chain with cheap and inferior produce."


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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby yomptepi » 03 Sep 2018, 12:49

The Prof wrote:
yomptepi wrote:His policies are non existent and his economic plans are nonsense.


All fully costed out, I believe.


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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

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yomptepi wrote:Well he does appeal to children, doesn't he?


Much like the Tories appeal to racists.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Butch Manly » 03 Sep 2018, 13:27

Diamond Dog wrote:
yomptepi wrote:Well he does appeal to children, doesn't he?


Much like the Tories appeal to racists.



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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby wannabee enfant terrible » 03 Sep 2018, 14:02

No you smell etc.

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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby The Prof » 03 Sep 2018, 14:27

yomptepi wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I take it from that, you didn't read it.

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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby yomptepi » 03 Sep 2018, 15:18

The Prof wrote:
yomptepi wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Unreal.


I take it from that, you didn't read it.


It is complete fantasy.
It has no basis in reality , and every time any of the figures are challenged, the entire front bench fall apart trying to explain how it works. I could give you a load of figures from the top of my head for how I would solve our economic problems, and they would be 100% more believable and accurate than that waste of paper. They probably put it together in five minutes in between making plans for Labour Live.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby yomptepi » 03 Sep 2018, 15:19

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Diamond Dog wrote:
yomptepi wrote:Well he does appeal to children, doesn't he?


Much like the Tories appeal to racists.



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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby yomptepi » 03 Sep 2018, 15:22

The Prof wrote:
yomptepi wrote:His policies are non existent and his economic plans are nonsense.


All fully costed out, I believe.

"Scrap student tuition fees



Let us take the very first item on the list shall we?

Initially costed at 12 billion. But within a day Emily Thornberry coceded that it would cost over 100 billion.

Shall I continue onto his ridiculous plans to re nationalise the water companies, and how much that would cost.

Honestly I despair of you people.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Diamond Dog » 03 Sep 2018, 15:23

yomptepi wrote:
Butch Manly wrote:
Diamond Dog wrote:
Much like the Tories appeal to racists.



:lol:
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Precisely. Both equally believable.
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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby The Prof » 03 Sep 2018, 15:52

yomptepi wrote:
The Prof wrote:
yomptepi wrote:His policies are non existent and his economic plans are nonsense.


All fully costed out, I believe.

"Scrap student tuition fees



Let us take the very first item on the list shall we?

Initially costed at 12 billion. But within a day Emily Thornberry coceded that it would cost over 100 billion.

Shall I continue onto his ridiculous plans to re nationalise the water companies, and how much that would cost.

Honestly I despair of you people.


Such a terrible idea that even the Tories were considering it a few years ago.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -fees.html

¾ of all student fees are never repaid anyway. Labour priced it at £9.5 billion per annum. Where does the Emily Thornberry quote come from?

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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby The Prof » 03 Sep 2018, 15:57

yomptepi wrote:Shall I continue onto his ridiculous plans to re nationalise the water companies, and how much that would cost.


You mean how much would it save?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... 63706.html


Privatised water company shareholders collect £6.5bn in dividends and interest, research finds


Shareholders in the UK’s nine privatised water companies have made more than £6.5bn from dividends and interest in the past five years, according to new research.
Bosses of the nine companies were paid £58m in salary, bonuses, pensions and other benefits over the same five-year period, the GMB union found.
The nine firms paid out £1.4bn in dividends last year alone, according to the research.

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Postby Copehead » 03 Sep 2018, 16:25

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Postby wannabee enfant terrible » 03 Sep 2018, 16:28

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Re: The demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn

Postby Copehead » 03 Sep 2018, 16:30

yomptepi wrote:
The Prof wrote:
yomptepi wrote:His policies are non existent and his economic plans are nonsense.


All fully costed out, I believe.

"Scrap student tuition fees



Let us take the very first item on the list shall we?

Initially costed at 12 billion. But within a day Emily Thornberry coceded that it would cost over 100 billion.

Shall I continue onto his ridiculous plans to re nationalise the water companies, and how much that would cost.

Honestly I despair of you people.


It costs nothing to scrap that which you've never had you blithering fool. Especially when many economists think the whole idea is never going to show much of a profit if any because of exemptions and the costs of debt collection.

You are confusing it with scraping existing student debt, which is an aspiration but wasn't in the manifesto

You are another moron who thinks a country that can create money out of thin air by creating debt has to be run like a household with income and expenditure.

Children may support Corbyn, but people who haven't even got the reasoning skills of children appear to support the Tories.
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