Happy Birthday, NHS!

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Happy Birthday, NHS!

Postby Fonz » 05 Jul 2018, 07:18

70 years and counting

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Re: Happy Birthday, NHS!

Postby Jimbo » 05 Jul 2018, 07:21

Soon to be privatized I hear.
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Re: Happy Birthday, NHS!

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caramba wrote:http://www.bcb-board.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=137591&start=340


Yeah, thanks for that insight.

Back on topic:

I work for the NHS. Very proud to.

I work with a lot of dedicated folks, who pretty much without exception are fundamentally motivated to work hard and care for people; who are dedicated to trying to make things better for everyone. I feel lucky and privileged to work for it.

Beyond actually working there, I have a lot to be grateful to the NHS for, not least of which was the first round of IVF which helped to bring my boy into the world.

It is fabulous.

It never sleeps. 24/7/365.
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Postby Eddie Shah environment » 05 Jul 2018, 09:38

I think enough of the population are both aware of its problems and grateful for its service that to raise income tax by half a percent wouldn't be a vote loser. But I can't see either of the main parties proposing such an idea any time soon and I think it's a shame.
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Postby Toby » 05 Jul 2018, 10:39

My Dad has just come home after 10 days or so in hospital. The support we received from Occupational Therapy in setting him up here at home for a temporary period whilst we find suitable care has been superb.

Similarly, my little scrap with Cancer back in 2015 was treated brilliantly - I had no complaints.

To suggest though that it can't be improved with partial privatisation in certain non-vital areas is myopic. The problem for me with it is in areas like A&E where some parts of the population seem to treat it as a place they can just go to if they're pissed out of their heads. This sort of thing needs to stop, but of course it's a moral minefield when you start creating a dividing line as to what can be cared for etc.

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Re: Happy Birthday, NHS!

Postby Rayge » 05 Jul 2018, 10:44

I was born three months after the NHS, and almost certainly owe it my life. Both my mother and father had lost siblings because their parents could not afford health care, or it simply was not available. My mother had miscarried more than once before I was born: I was three weeks overdue, and arrived, via an induced delivery and judicious use of forceps, with double pneumonia, and was immediately whisked off to an oxygen tent, where I spent the first few weeks of my life, recovered, and became the healthy brute I am today.
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As I mentioned, I've always been very healthy, but those I love(d) have often needed its services and have never been let down.
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Re: Happy Birthday, NHS!

Postby Eddie Shah environment » 05 Jul 2018, 10:44

People always say the service they received was brilliant - so where's the problem?
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ORORORO wrote:People always say the service they received was brilliant - so where's the problem?


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Re: Happy Birthday, NHS!

Postby Eddie Shah environment » 05 Jul 2018, 10:52

The NHS is chronically underfunded, yeah. The doctors and nurses are desperately overworked and underpaid. But we've all had wonderful experiences!

Is it just that we're loath to moan about an institution we've still got so much pride in?
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Re: Happy Birthday, NHS!

Postby Fonz » 05 Jul 2018, 11:00

Rayge wrote:
ORORORO wrote:People always say the service they received was brilliant - so where's the problem?


The Tory party


I am rightfully suspicious of the Tories. Long-term, for reasons that may or may not make sense to me, I believe they do pose a threat.
From a funding perspective, the NHS is a bottomless pit, and it will swallow whatever is put its way.
Half a percent on income tax would not begin to cover what is needed...

However, and it surprises me to say it, I do believe Hunt is sincere in his attempts to make the NHS safer. Whether this is genuine altruism, or just a strategy to make the NHS more ‘saleable’, I don’t know.
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Re: Happy Birthday, NHS!

Postby Goat Boy » 05 Jul 2018, 11:59

I know people who have had bad experiences and when they have criticised the NHS I have felt duty bound to defend it somehow. It’s difficult when you see elements within our press attack it as well. That really gets on my wick. I have an American Facebook friend who’s a conservative and occasionally one of his mates will comment having a dig at the NHS (tedious, juvenile stuff) and it takes all my restraint not to tell him go eat a dick.

Of course it’s not perfect and there are issues that may need different solutions than before (I am not ideologically against elements of privatisation being in there…doesn’t Sweden have a similar mix of national and private?) but it’s something close to a miracle to me and the staff that work there are real heroes. We are blessed to have it.

A lot of Brits are a bit sniffy about patriotism and notions of national pride. There are reasons for this and you see it on BCB of course but the NHS absolutely should be a source of national pride. It’s one of those institutions that genuinely does make me proud to be British and I say that sincerely and unashamedly.
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Re: Happy Birthday, NHS!

Postby Deebank » 05 Jul 2018, 12:03

ORORORO wrote:I think enough of the population are both aware of its problems and grateful for its service that to raise income tax by half a percent wouldn't be a vote loser. But I can't see either of the main parties proposing such an idea any time soon and I think it's a shame.



Well both have already pledged toincrease funding haven't they? Albeit that the tories plans are as yet uncosted. Labour's plans involve reinstating corporate taxation to pre 2010 levels and funding the NHS increases from that. I suspect more will be found.

I owe a lot to the NHS having had a chronic medical condition since I was 7. Being an outpatient for the last 42 years I have seen very considerable changes back and forth and for my money the NHS is in a worse place now than it has been since the mid '80s - if not since forever.

The tories just aren't really ideologically disposed towards socialised health care no matter what they pay lip service to. They just don't care deep down - it isn't their thing.

As for privatisation - it has been an ongoing project for god knows how long.
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Re: Happy Birthday, NHS!

Postby Eddie Shah environment » 05 Jul 2018, 12:24

Deebank wrote:
ORORORO wrote:I think enough of the population are both aware of its problems and grateful for its service that to raise income tax by half a percent wouldn't be a vote loser. But I can't see either of the main parties proposing such an idea any time soon and I think it's a shame.



Well both have already pledged toincrease funding haven't they? Albeit that the tories plans are as yet uncosted.


Well, yeah. That's my point - that they will not commit to higher taxes. But I think public awareness - sympathy, if you like - is now at its height and they should use that to introduce such a system. There's never been a better time.

Ray - of course I don't know what the precise figures are, but a half-percentage increase in the basic rate would make a huge difference.
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ORORORO wrote:Ray - of course I don't know what the precise figures are, but a half-percentage increase in the basic rate would make a huge difference.


It's fonz that said it wouldn't make much of a difference. I wouldn't know even the ballpark figures, let alone precise ones.
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Re: Happy Birthday, NHS!

Postby Samoan » 05 Jul 2018, 13:21

Nay

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/27/saddleworth-moor-wildfire-army-called-in-to-tackle-fire


A hundred soldiers sent in to tackle fire near Saddleworth Moor

RAF Chinook helicopter also being used as fire rages on outskirts of Manchester
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Postby Toby » 05 Jul 2018, 13:22

Rayge wrote:It's fonz that said it wouldn't make much of a difference. I wouldn't know even the ballpark figures, let alone precise ones.
I just piggybacked the thread for ideological reasons to say private medicine and the rich in general should pay more than they already do, and by the way the Armed Forces are a pernicious and worthless institution and a total waste of resources that we could do without.


But rich people in general don't use the NHS - they go private.

And you sound like Candice-Marie in Nuts in May when you say we should get rid of the armed forces. How ridiculous.

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Re: Happy Birthday, NHS!

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Rayge wrote:
ORORORO wrote:Ray - of course I don't know what the precise figures are, but a half-percentage increase in the basic rate would make a huge difference.


It's fonz that said it wouldn't make much of a difference. I wouldn't know even the ballpark figures, let alone precise ones.
I just piggybacked the thread for ideological reasons to say private medicine and the rich in general should pay more than they already do, and by the way the Armed Forces are a pernicious and worthless institution and a total waste of resources that we could do without.



I’m interested in how you think ‘private medicine...should pay more than they already do’.

I understand the principle that healthcare shouldn’t be ‘two-tier’, but in practical terms the private sector absorbs a relatively small but significant amount of activity away from the NHS. If there were no private providers the NHS would have an extra burden.
Bear in mind that those paying for private care have already paid their contribution to the NHS- they are paying twice.
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Toby wrote:
Rayge wrote:It's fonz that said it wouldn't make much of a difference. I wouldn't know even the ballpark figures, let alone precise ones.
I just piggybacked the thread for ideological reasons to say private medicine and the rich in general should pay more than they already do, and by the way the Armed Forces are a pernicious and worthless institution and a total waste of resources that we could do without.


But rich people in general don't use the NHS - they go private.


It's because they go Private they should pay more for the NHS. I'm a socialist, and care nothing for the whines of the wealthy. Let them eat shit.
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