I hear some people died in Gaza

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Re: I hear some people died in Gaza

Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 23 Jun 2018, 11:28

From the Middle East Eye website:

Health organisations and Gaza’s health ministry have repeatedly warned about the difficult conditions in the besieged enclave’s hospitals because of poor access to electricity and material shortages. The Israeli army’s violent repression of the Great March of Return has only further strained health resources in Gaza.

NGOs such as Physicians for Human Rights - Israel (PHRI) have also slammed the Israeli government for denying numerous Palestinians’ requests for exit permits in order to receive adequate treatment in the occupied West Bank for their wounds. Israel’s denial of exit permits has been blamed for at least 43 Palestinians having limbs amputated because of lack of access to proper care.
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Re: I hear some people died in Gaza

Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 30 Jun 2018, 09:35

Israel lobby seeks to erase occupation from Virginia schoolbooks

Human rights activists in Virginia are fighting to protect the quality and accuracy of schoolbooks as Israel advocacy organizations seek substantial changes to the texts. The suggested changes would distort the way Israeli history is depicted, deliberately whitewashing its military occupation and ongoing policies of land theft, apartheid and expulsion of Palestinians.

These changes have been proposed to the Virginia Department of Education by the California-based Institute for Curriculum Services – a “strategic initiative” of the Jewish Community Relations Council, an organization with an active Israel lobby.

ICS director Aliza Craimer Elias recently boasted in a video interview that her firm works “behind the scenes” with textbook publishers to edit entries about Jews, Judaism and Israel and to train classroom educators with ICS curricula. Elias said that many of the major textbook publishers “often come to us to work with them on manuscripts and development,” adding that about 85 percent of their proposed edits end up getting accepted.

While some of their suggested edits address issues of Holocaust denial and offensive stereotypes of Jews and Judaism in biblical references, others address the way Israel’s establishment has been explained, as well as Israel’s current policies of discrimination, occupation and land theft. In the video, Elias bragged that ICS had successfully changed a textbook entry to omit reference to Israel’s forced expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in the lead up to and after the state of Israel was declared.

She claimed that ICS had succeeded in having textbooks entries changed which blamed the foundation of Israel for displacing Palestinians, suggesting that such displacement was simply the outcome of a war fought in 1948.

Other proposed edits include replacing the words “occupied territories” as “captured areas” when referring to the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip and the Syrian Golan Heights, according to Jeanne Trabulsi, an educator in Virginia who was interviewed for The Electronic Intifada Podcast.

She was joined in conversation with Paul Noursi of the Virginia Coalition for Human Rights and Michael Fischbach, a history professor at Randolph Macon College.

The word “settlers” would be replaced with “communities,” Trabulsi added, and “wall,” in reference to Israel’s illegal wall in the West Bank, would be replaced with “security fence.”

ICS claims that it has already made more than 11,000 edits to US textbooks used in all 50 states.

The Virginia Coalition for Human Rights, which represents 16 Virginia-based peace groups, have joined more than a dozen educators to urge textbook publishers Houghton-Mifflin Harcourt, McGraw-Hill, Prentice Hall/Pearson, National Geographic and others not to accept what they say are factually challenged, biased and exclusionary recommendations. The coalition has appealed to the state’s leadership as well, asking Governor Ralph Northam to “freeze the suggested changes” to Virginia social studies textbooks and “not incorporate them until a panel of qualified and nonpartisan academic experts is consulted.” The governor’s office has not yet responded to the coalition’s letter, Noursi said, but activists say they will meet with officials with the Virginia department of education and other state lawmakers. One textbook publisher, Pearson, replied to the group saying it intends to critically review the proposed edits, according to Noursi.


“We felt we had to do something” about ICS’s current suggestions to Virginia’s textbooks, Noursi told The Electronic Intifada Podcast. Students are learning information that they might not have much of an opportunity to critically analyze later on, Noursi explained, so the accuracy of the information they receive is crucial. Information that obscures or deliberately misinforms students on the issue of Palestine “could really have detrimental effects far beyond Virginia,” he said.

Fischbach said he was troubled to see the way that language has been manipulated to distort basic facts and call them into question.
“This kind of thing is insidious because it undermines … the very nature of the role of education [which] in a democracy is to inform people,” he said. Fischbach explained that Israel advocates understand that they have lost the public relations battle “and what they’re now trying to do instead of fight this discourse on the facts is simply, literally, to rewrite it – to frame a new narrative for a new generation of young people.”

In 2016, Israel advocates pressured textbook publisher McGraw-Hill Education to withdraw and destroy all copies of a textbook that featured four maps of what is now Israel, Gaza and the West Bank. The maps showed the accurate progression of loss of Palestinian land from 1946 to 2000 as Israel continues to expand its settlements and colonial control. “Supporters of Israel have fought the use of these maps elsewhere and quickly urged McGraw-Hill to change or withdraw the textbook,” reported Inside Higher Education.

Despite the efforts by Israel advocates to rewrite history – and, at the same time, intimidate, harass and silence students and academics who speak out against Israel’s violations of Palestinian rights – Virginia activists say that the strength of their campaign is growing.
“This is a fairly straightforward issue,” Noursi said. “Let’s call things what they are: illegal settlements are illegal settlements, they should be called out as such. Military occupation is military occupation, it needs to be called out as such, it needs to be taught as such in the textbooks.”

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/no ... choolbooks


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I know the Electronic Intifada website has been characterised as "propaganda" on here before but when used judiciously it is actually a pretty reliable (U.S.A. based) source of information which is all but ignored by the mainstream news outlets. And, of course, this particular article and accompanying podcast are not so much propaganda as an exposé of how the pro-Israel propaganda machine operates in the shadows of political and media worlds: If you can't defeat the truth, change the truth.
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Re: I hear some people died in Gaza

Postby Belle Lettre » 30 Jun 2018, 10:52

The problem is that despite the symbolic importance of the Right To Return, what is there to return to? Many areas have vanished or been altered and renamed. And yet to renounce it..

On a related note my dad tells me that the latest gossip from Lebanon is that Kushner is offering a colossal sum to the government there if they allow Palestinian refugees to take Lebanese nationality. At present their situation is miserable as they have no rights or access to jobs in the way Lebanese do. Such a move would make an enormous difference to them - but at the price of giving up their identity?
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Re: I hear some people died in Gaza

Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 30 Jun 2018, 11:50

Belle Lettre wrote:The problem is that despite the symbolic importance of the Right To Return, what is there to return to? Many areas have vanished or been altered and renamed. And yet to renounce it..


Until pretty recently, I believed in the Two State Solution but then one day it suddenly occurred to me that Israel has NO intention of ever agreeing to a two state solution. All of its actions scream out that they do not even entertain the idea. Everyone pays lip service to the notion of Two State whilst Israel relentlessly breaks international law with impunity by stealing land day after day in the West Bank - there just isn't going to be a two state solution.

With that in mind, the Arab population of Israel (including Gaza and the West Bank) need guarantees of full citizenship, rights and protection within a new state of Israel with maybe even a new constitution. Clearly, we are a million miles from that, too, but if Two State is impossible, aim for the as-yet highly unlikely....
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Re: I hear some people died in Gaza

Postby Deebank » 30 Jun 2018, 15:04

Tonto Papadopoulos wrote:
Belle Lettre wrote:The problem is that despite the symbolic importance of the Right To Return, what is there to return to? Many areas have vanished or been altered and renamed. And yet to renounce it..


Until pretty recently, I believed in the Two State Solution but then one day it suddenly occurred to me that Israel has NO intention of ever agreeing to a two state solution. All of its actions scream out that they do not even entertain the idea. Everyone pays lip service to the notion of Two State whilst Israel relentlessly breaks international law with impunity by stealing land day after day in the West Bank - there just isn't going to be a two state solution.

With that in mind, the Arab population of Israel (including Gaza and the West Bank) need guarantees of full citizenship, rights and protection within a new state of Israel with maybe even a new constitution. Clearly, we are a million miles from that, too, but if Two State is impossible, aim for the as-yet highly unlikely....


The democratic secular state. The obvious democratic answer. Give everyone the same rights and responsibilities.

Jewish Israelis would never agree because it could see them in the minority especially if all displaced Palestinians were given the same right to ‘return’ as all Jews have - which would have to be the case for it to be a true democracy.
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Re: I hear some people died in Gaza

Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 14 Jul 2018, 13:32

Irish senate votes to ban Israeli settlement goods

11 July 2018

Irish senators on Wednesday passed a bill to ban the import of goods from Israeli settlements on occupied Palestinian land.

Frances Black, the singer and independent politician who sponsored the bill, tweeted that the vote was “a first step, but an important one.”

“Today we state strongly: Ireland will always stand for international humanitarian law, justice and human rights,” Black added.

Israel will fear that if Ireland imposes consequences for its unchecked violations of international law, other countries may follow.

Israel summoned the Irish ambassador in Tel Aviv in protest.

“The Irish people can be proud that the Irish Seanad today took a brave step in leading the way in the fight against apartheid,” Shawan Jabarin, director of the Palestinian human rights group Al Haq stated.

The morning of the vote, Black urged support for the bill in an article for The Irish Times.

“There is a clear hypocrisy here – how can we condemn the settlements as ‘unambiguously illegal,’ as theft of land and resources, but happily buy the proceeds of this crime?” the senator stated.

She also recounted how on her recent visit to Palestine she had seen the devastating impact of Israeli colonization on Palestinian freedom of movement, housing and healthcare.

“I witnessed the crushing indignity of a Palestinian community cut off from their water supply so that it could be diverted to an Israeli chicken farm,” Black wrote.

“Is the moral response to condemn the illegality, but then ask how much for the eggs?” Black asked.
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Re: I hear some people died in Gaza

Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » 15 Jul 2018, 12:44

A certain Afrikaans word springs to mind.....


Israel in turmoil over bill allowing Jews and Arabs to be segregated

Law will ‘remove the mask so as to reveal the ugly face of ultranationalist Israel in all its repugnance’ professor says

Oliver Holmes in Jerusalem

Sun 15 Jul 2018

Israel is in the throes of political upheaval as the country’s ruling party seeks to pass legislation that could allow for Jewish-only communities, which critics have condemned as the end to a democratic state.

For the past half-decade, politicians have been wrangling over the details of the bill that holds constitution-like status and that Benjamin Netanyahu wants passed this month.

The proposed legislation would allow the state to “authorise a community composed of people having the same faith and nationality to maintain the exclusive character of that community”.

In its current state, the draft would also permit Jewish religious law to be implemented in certain cases and remove Arabic as an official language.

“In the Israeli democracy, we will continue to protect the rights of both the individual and the group, this is guaranteed. But the majority have rights too, and the majority rules,” the Israeli prime minister said this week.

A vote on the bill is expected next week, although a final draft has yet to be agreed on. The legislation has been compared to South African apartheid by Israeli parliamentarians, and several thousand Israelis protested in Tel Aviv on Saturday.

The Middle Eastern country sees itself as both a democratic and a Jewish state, saying its legal system protects the rights of Arabs, who make up more than a fifth of the population, and other minorities. However, the “Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people” bill would enshrine the country’s Jewish national and religious character into law.

“Our main concern is that it is changing the nature of the state and it changes the balance of Israel as a nation state,” said Amir Fuchs, head of the defending democratic values programme at the Israel Democracy Institute. “You can be a nation state and still be a democracy as long as you don’t discriminate,” said Fuchs. “That the state is allowed to create villages that will separate on the basis of race or religion or nationality – this is outrageous.”

The purpose of the bill, he said, was “to change the balance, to make us more of a nation state, more of a Jewish state, and less of a democracy. There is no other way to put it. And this is the biggest problem.”

Netanyahu has lashed out at domestic and international critics, ordering the foreign ministry to reprimand EU envoy Emanuele Giaufret after he was reported as saying the bill was discriminatory.

Both Israel’s attorney general and president, who holds a symbolic role, also opposed details of the bill. President Reuven Rivlin said it would harm the Jewish people worldwide and “even be used as a weapon by our enemies”. The segregation clause, he said, could also allow towns that exclude Jews of Middle Eastern origin – who have been historically sidelined – or homosexuals.

Legislator Miki Zohar, from the prime minister’s Likud party, said: “Unfortunately, President Rivlin has lost it” and had “forgotten his DNA”.

Many Israeli neighbourhoods and towns are already effectively segregated, with residents either vastly Jewish or Arab. In many places, it is tough for an Arab to move in, although segregation is not legal.

Writing in the progressive-leaning Haaretz newspaper, Mordechai Kremnitzer, from the faculty of law at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said the bill would “remove the mask so as to reveal the ugly face of ultranationalist Israel in all its repugnance”.

The debate has also opened a rift with the Jewish diaspora, with fears among more liberal American Jewish groups that it would prioritise Orthodox communities over other denominations.

Rabbi Rick Jacobs, president of the Union for Reform Judaism, said the bill was a grave threat to Israeli democracy and hurt “the delicate balance between the Jewish majority and Arab minority, and it enthrones ultra-Orthodox Judaism at the expense of the majority of a pluralistic world Jewry”.

Daniel Sokatch, CEO of New Israel Fund, which supports civil rights groups in Israel, decried the bill as “tribalism at its worst”
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Re: I hear some people died in Gaza

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Re: I hear some people died in Gaza

Postby Tonto Papadopoulos » Yesterday, 17:42

How can a state which defines itself solely by a single religion (or ethnicity, for that matter) guarantee the human rights of all its citizens?
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