The death of David Goodall should open up the euthanasia-debate

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The death of David Goodall should open up the euthanasia-debate

Postby never/ever » 11 May 2018, 02:07

https://www.smh.com.au/national/austral ... 4zem6.html

A major story here in Australia at the moment. A 104-year old Australian scientist traveling to Switzerland to have his life peacefully ended.

I still am very much at a loss why people anywhere in this world cannot be assisted in making this hard and difficult decision.

Having said that, to see the picture of him saying goodbye to his grandson at the airport broke my heart. I got to say goodbye to my father too before he received an injection. It is so difficult to face that direct moment even knowing that what ensues is in many ways a peaceful and less painful ending.
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Re: The death of David Goodall should open up the euthanasia-debate

Postby fange » 11 May 2018, 02:19

Yep, a very complex debate in every sense, from the legal to the emotional. But it is one that SHOULD be discussed more openly and in-depth.
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Re: The death of David Goodall should open up the euthanasia-debate

Postby Jimbo » 11 May 2018, 03:09

Why did he not just kill himself?
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Re: The death of David Goodall should open up the euthanasia-debate

Postby never/ever » 11 May 2018, 07:32

Jimbo wrote:Why did he not just kill himself?


* He tried and failed.
* He wanted to create a conversation about it, not only in Australia but worldwide.
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Re: The death of David Goodall should open up the euthanasia-debate

Postby never/ever » 12 May 2018, 00:30

Maybe this is not the community to talk about this. That's fine. It's a story that is personal to me and no one else perhaps.

It strikes me that in this day and age, where populism seemingly gets mixed up with all sorts of patriotic, nationalistic and (in various countries anyway) good ole-fashioned religious reasons, this debate gets blurred out in quick-time fashion. Australia may have a stable government but this government's incapability to deal with same-sex marriage on federal level, leading to a plebiscite dominated by random act-attacks on the principle in the spirit of faith, doesn't make for a good breeding ground for possible national legislation if a motion to allow this practice is being passed.
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Re: The death of David Goodall should open up the euthanasia-debate

Postby trans-chigley express » 12 May 2018, 06:21

Jimbo wrote:Why did he not just kill himself?

I don’t think its that easy is it? Killing yourself is a lot harder than having an injection. I don’t think I could do it.

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Postby Jimbo » 12 May 2018, 07:01

trans-chigley express wrote:
Jimbo wrote:Why did he not just kill himself?

I don’t think its that easy is it? Killing yourself is a lot harder than having an injection. I don’t think I could do it.


I've heard hereabouts that some people have actually done it.
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Re: The death of David Goodall should open up the euthanasia-debate

Postby Flower » 13 May 2018, 13:43

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Re: The death of David Goodall should open up the euthanasia-debate

Postby sloopjohnc » 13 May 2018, 17:58

I read the story. He was very old and said he hadn't been enjoying life at all for the last 10-15 years because of his health.

He lived a full life by almost every measure and got to say goodbye to his loved ones, and them to him. He also met every criteria as established by Switzerland to commit Euthanasia. And there are some societies that view suicide differently, like Japan.

Life is valued and I think one of the arguments is between people who think they're life is devoid of it vs. others who don't feel that way. I don't know who makes that determination, the person or society? I also think the shock can be jarring.

I had an old school friend commit suicide a couple years ago. I'd just seen his younger brother in my hometown shortly before it happened and he mentioned how everything Ted did turned out well. Turns out he did it because of a divorce and custody issues with his children, but he'd passed on his problems as no big deal even to his family.
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Re: The death of David Goodall should open up the euthanasia-debate

Postby Dr. Markus » 13 May 2018, 18:11

He should be rest before like all the in Ireland. It can make full time like it said,not everyone would go. What can he do about it now?
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Re: The death of David Goodall should open up the euthanasia-debate

Postby sloopjohnc » 13 May 2018, 18:36

Dr. Markus wrote:He should be rest before like all the in Ireland. It can make full time like it said,not everyone would go. What can he do about it now?


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