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language question

Postby Robert » 09 May 2018, 09:13

What would be better: 'this forecast was made on the assumption' or 'this forecast was made under the assumption' ?

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Re: language question

Postby Darkness_Fish » 09 May 2018, 09:41

I'd say "under the assumption". You could also make a case for "with the assumption", if you're specifically calling out an assumption beforehand. As in, I'd use "under the assumption" if the forecast had already been carried out, and "with the assumption" if you're saying how the forecast will be carried out.

I don't know if there's a technical logic behind that though.
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Re: language question

Postby ORORORO » 09 May 2018, 11:12

Both are fine. 'under' sounds better to me.

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Re: language question

Postby gash on ignore » 09 May 2018, 11:18

Rules, like facts, are comfort blankets for the terminally dull and unimaginative.
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Re: language question

Postby Darkness_Fish » 09 May 2018, 11:21

I think you're confusing "rules" with "threads about The Beatles".
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Postby ORORORO » 09 May 2018, 11:29

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Postby Your Friendly Neighbourhood Postman » 09 May 2018, 12:08

Darkness_Fish wrote:I think you're confusing "rules" with "threads about The Beatles".


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Re: language question

Postby Robert » 09 May 2018, 12:26

Hodgson's Tears wrote:Both are fine. 'under' sounds better to me.

Why do people look for black-and-white rules? 'logic' my left buttcheek



As a non native speaker I can rely less on what sounds good than a native can.

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Re: language question

Postby Robert » 09 May 2018, 12:27

Darkness_Fish wrote:I'd say "under the assumption". You could also make a case for "with the assumption", if you're specifically calling out an assumption beforehand. As in, I'd use "under the assumption" if the forecast had already been carried out, and "with the assumption" if you're saying how the forecast will be carried out.

I don't know if there's a technical logic behind that though.



Thanks, I went with 'under'

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Re: language question

Postby ORORORO » 09 May 2018, 12:31

Robert wrote:
Hodgson's Tears wrote:Both are fine. 'under' sounds better to me.

Why do people look for black-and-white rules? 'logic' my left buttcheek



As a non native speaker I can rely less on what sounds good than a native can.



Yes, of course.

You must have been exposed to a lot of English tho' - stuff comes naturally to you now. No?
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Re: language question

Postby Jimbo » 09 May 2018, 12:33

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Re: language question

Postby Robert » 09 May 2018, 13:15

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Re: language question

Postby Robert » 09 May 2018, 13:16

Robert wrote:
Hodgson's Tears wrote:
Robert wrote:

As a non native speaker I can rely less on what sounds good than a native can.



Yes, of course.

You must have been exposed to a lot of English tho' - stuff comes naturally to you now. No?


Well yes and no. I write a weekly report in English and I try to use the British version of English and not the American. Not that I necessarily have a preference for either, but I try to keep it at least in one style and I chose the British version for that. Through literature and music and films you get exposed to a lot of English of course but apart from spelling issues, it is not always very clear when I just write a piece off the cuff, how much words or turns of phrases are typical British or American.

In American English I often see Impact used as a verb but hardly ever in English. There are plenty other examples I think that I am not aware of that are only used in the one or the other.

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Re: language question

Postby Robert » 09 May 2018, 13:25

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Re: language question

Postby Positive Passion » 10 May 2018, 05:43

Either is more or less fine, though there are nuances of connotation to bear in mind.
I would normally use "on", as the phrase is short for "based on" - the forecast was made based on the assumption....
Using "under" has a mild suggestion that the assumption was incorrect - i said it under the assumption it was off the record.
But these subtleties can be modified by context.