Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

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Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby Dr Markus » 26 Mar 2018, 13:10

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-43478925

A man who filmed a pet dog giving Nazi salutes before putting the footage on YouTube has been convicted of committing a hate crime


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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby Rayge » 26 Mar 2018, 13:17

It (the verdict) a scabrous piece of dogshit. How anyone can look at that and see something supporting anti-Jewish politics rather than ripping the piss out of it suggests wilful misunderstanding.
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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby The Modernist » 26 Mar 2018, 13:29

It is pretty worrying. It should never have been pursued by the PPS never mind resulted in a conviction.

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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby Samoan » 26 Mar 2018, 17:11

As I can't necessarily view the video, I can't comment one way or another.


I did look at Jonathan Pie's Facebook clip. He's not the full ticket is he?
Unnecessarily angry, childishly sweary and shouty and possibly intoxicated ?
Angry people are scared people so what's he so fearful about ?
It can't be his "career" 'cos I think the ship's sailed on that one.
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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby PENK » 26 Mar 2018, 17:15

Samoan wrote:As I can't necessarily view the video, I can't comment one way or another.


Maybe someone can make a new one then send it to you.
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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby bobzilla77 » 26 Mar 2018, 22:44

I think it was worth unfriending him over but a "hate crime" seems a bit much.
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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby Copehead » 26 Mar 2018, 23:08

It was obviously a misjudged attempt at humour that should have stayed between him and his girlfriend. It is initially the sort of thing that two people could share and find amusing if both know that the other is anything but racist. But he took it over the line with the "gas the Jews bit" and he did something moronic when he posted it for others to see.

But prosecuting someone for making a joke in poor taste is stupid it just plays to the victim mentality of the right
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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby The Red Heifer » 26 Mar 2018, 23:40

He said "gas the Jews".

Yeah, has me in fucking stitches that.

You don't want to get convicted of a hate crime? Don't say "gas the Jews" for fucks sake.
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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby Dr Markus » 27 Mar 2018, 12:01

This guy aside, is the thought of all comedians should be wary now of their material incase this happens to them, pertinent? There's a video of Jimmy carr on youtube doing the joke of "They say there's safety in numbers, tell that to ten million jews". Should he be going to jail too?
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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby Samoan » 27 Mar 2018, 13:00

Dr Markus wrote:This guy aside, is the thought of all comedians should be wary now of their material incase this happens to them, pertinent? There's a video of Jimmy carr on youtube doing the joke of "They say there's safety in numbers, tell that to ten million jews". Should he be going to jail too?

Post it here please.
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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby Dr Markus » 27 Mar 2018, 13:06

I'm in work, so youtube is blocked.

But I think this is it from just googling it. It's last or second last joke, I think.

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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby Samoan » 27 Mar 2018, 13:33

Yeah, I heard it.

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I'm not a judge so I can't send him to jail but I'd say his next port of call should be the Job Centre.
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Postby Insouciant Western People » 27 Mar 2018, 13:38

Copehead wrote:It was obviously a misjudged attempt at humour that should have stayed between him and his girlfriend. It is initially the sort of thing that two people could share and find amusing if both know that the other is anything but racist. But he took it over the line with the "gas the Jews bit" and he did something moronic when he posted it for others to see.

But prosecuting someone for making a joke in poor taste is stupid.


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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby Darkness_Fish » 27 Mar 2018, 13:50

Dr Markus wrote:This guy aside, is the thought of all comedians should be wary now of their material incase this happens to them, pertinent? There's a video of Jimmy carr on youtube doing the joke of "They say there's safety in numbers, tell that to ten million jews". Should he be going to jail too?

The thing is, Jimmy Carr can be genuinely offensive, and doesn't try to dress it up in a shit veil of irony, like Ricky Gervais. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but he's honest about it, and is generally trying to be in bad taste, than actually support or further the causes of stupidity and bigotry like your Jim Davidsons. In that clip you've posted, he even tries to explain the basic mechanics of the joke, and the moral ambiguity. I'd say there's a big difference between choosing a ridiculously bad taste subject as the point of the metaphor to emphasise a pun, and saying "Gas the Jews" repeatedly, even with a dog there to make it so hilarious.
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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby Darkness_Fish » 27 Mar 2018, 13:53

As an aside, I have seen Jimmy Carr live, and I didn't really rate him as a stand-up, there's no real connection between him and the audience, and he's clearly reciting a pre-defined list of one-liners, rather than moving with or manipulating the ebbs and flows of the audience mood.
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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby Dr Markus » 27 Mar 2018, 15:30

Going to see him next week here in my home town. He must still have some taxes to pay if he's playing my town.

I like him and do find him funny. Some of the jokes I struggle with, I have to admit. When he wants to be he can be quite clever without being over controversial.
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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby Sneelock » 27 Mar 2018, 18:03

I think we should all get pugs and teach them to Nazi salute just as a matter of principle.
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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby Dr Markus » 27 Mar 2018, 18:04

Can I get a proper dog and the rest of you are can get pugs?
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Postby The Red Heifer » 27 Mar 2018, 19:58

I've just reported that sentence as a hate crime against the English language.
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Re: Man Guilty Of Hate Crime For Filming Pug's 'Nazi salutes'

Postby Hepcat » 27 Mar 2018, 21:25

Isn't it ironic that governments have been persecuting individuals for thought crimes since roughly 1984? I wonder how many of the legislators have even read the book?

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