"Me Jimbo. Me know truth."

[Jimbo]

They've got the guys on film walking to the house. No evidence would be enough for you Jimbo as you've already decided what you think.

From the Independent article just above. See the linky thingy? You click it with the mousey thingy.

The CCTV footage from Salisbury has huge lacunae – though it is established that the cameras were working in Salisbury that day – and does not include any of the pair less than 500m from the Skripals’ house, nor any of the Skripals themselves. Why not? We still do not know where they were for most of that Sunday morning, who they might have met, or for what purpose, or precisely when the presumed attack occurred. Those are huge gaps.

[The Modernist]

So because there's not film of every single minute of what they did, it's suspicious? That's ridiculous even for you.
The fact Russian military guys were walking around a suburban bit of Salisbury at the same time as a Russian dissident was poisoned there, would be overwhelming evidence for any reasonably minded person.Anyway even if there was film of them stuffing the poison in the guy's mouth, you'd be telling us how it was faked. No evidence would ever be good enough for you because you've already decided on the 'Putin is an innocent being set up by the West' narrative and you will apply it to everything regardless.

[Jimbo]

So because there's not film of every single minute of what they did, it's suspicious? That's ridiculous even for you.
The fact Russian military guys were walking around a suburban bit of Salisbury at the same time as a Russian dissident was poisoned there, would be overwhelming evidence for any reasonably minded person.Anyway even if there was film of them stuffing the poison in the guy's mouth, you'd be telling us how it was faked. No evidence would ever be good enough for you because you've already decided on the 'Putin is an innocent being set up by the West' narrative and you will apply it to everything regardless.

You are an idiot. A useful one, however. Did you read the article? This is not my opinion. Read what I read and then make a critique.

[The Modernist]

I've read the article. It's a fluff piece, it says nothing.
Look these guys were there, they've even admitted that themselves. Their spurious explanation is that they were there as tourists.

[Goat Boy]

Corbyn is still sceptical

[Jimbo]

Look these guys were there, they've even admitted that themselves.

You're the fluffy one.

They were in Salisbury, yes, but all they've "admitted" is that they were tourists. Show me where you are getting this lunacy from.

Choosing not to be skeptical is like you want to be lied to again into another war, into upping the arms race, into believing May, Trump, Blair, into utter madness. You must be skeptical. You can not unquestioningly take what the BBC or the Guardian say about these matters these days. They're the fluff. You must dig deeper than headlines - if you care, that is. I have a good friend who just doesn't care. I care, and not because I have a deep and warm soul but I just don't react well to being lied to. If it smells fishy, as the Skripal story does, I kinda want to know see if there's a rotting mackerel under the sofa.

[The Modernist]

Look these guys were there, they've even admitted that themselves.

You're the fluffy one.

They were in Salisbury, yes, but all they've "admitted" is that they were tourists. Show me where you are getting this lunacy from.

Salisbury is not a major tourist town, however even if we were to believe that two tough Russian military guy like to spend their vacations touring the cathedrals of south-west England, there is the small matter that they were caught on film in a residential part of town nowhere near the cathedral. Wake up for fuck's sake. You are the most deluded person I've ever come across.

[The Modernist]

Corbyn is still sceptical

No he isn't.

[Goat Boy]

Corbyn is still sceptical

No he isn't.

It was a joke, G.

[PENK]

The irony is that the Skripal case is a genuine conspiracy unfolding before our eyes, yet it’s somehow the one conspiracy theory Jimbo doesn’t believe!

[C.]

You must be skeptical. You can not unquestioningly take what the BBC or the Guardian say about these matters these days. They're the fluff. You must dig deeper than headlines - if you care, that is. I have a good friend who just doesn't care. I care, and not because I have a deep and warm soul but I just don't react well to being lied to.

[Toby]

Oh god why did I click on this thread

[Still Baron]

I want Jimbo on my jury!

[Jimbo]

Has no one here the informational fortitude to debunk the Independent essay?

[The Prof]

I'll bite. As bizarre as their story is it’s only slightly more bizarre than what appears now to be the official line.

[The Modernist]

I'll bite. As bizarre as their story is it’s only slightly more bizarre than what appears now to be the official line.

Eh?

[The Prof]

Well......We don’t know the inner workings of the Russian secret service but do they really carry the world’s deadliest nerve agent on Southern Railway trains? Twice? Not to mention carrying it in their check-in luggage on a domestic airline.
How is it discharged? Is it just at arms’ length?
Why they would allow themselves to be caught on CCTV wandering aimlessly around Salisbury not making any attempt to disguise their faces. They must know that there’s CCTV everywhere.
Are they the world's dumbest assassins? Maybe they are.

[The Modernist]

I think we tend to project all sorts of things on the secret service..partly because we have so little knowledge of who they are and what they do on a daily basis. Our ideas come mainly from fiction..so we tend to think of them as ruthless, efficient, with a limitless power. But they are still staffed by people, some of whom will be flawed and incompetent. These guys were foot soldiers..they were no genuises.

[Jimbo]

I think we tend to project all sorts of things on the secret service..partly because we have so little knowledge of who they are and what they do on a daily basis. Our ideas come mainly from fiction..so we tend to think of them as ruthless, efficient, with a limitless power. But they are still staffed by people, some of whom will be flawed and incompetent. These guys were foot soldiers..they were no genuises.

We also tend to project upon our media an image of stalwart truth tellers when in fact they're mostly careerists desperate in this time of dwindling money and cut-backs and will spout whatever they're ordered to spout or whatever they think their bosses will like.

[The Modernist]

For once I agree with you Jimbo!