Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks

I prefer....

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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Copehead » 12 Mar 2018, 23:50

German Dave wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:http://hurryupharry.org/2018/03/12/good-old-tony-greenstein/

Good to know that anti semitism doesn’t hurt Jews


I don't get it. What's hurryupharry and how does it relate?

I haven't forgotten the points made directly to me by Nick and Dougie, by the way. I intend to reply properly but it may be some time next week. Loads on at work this week.


Harry's Place is a blog that calls out extremism on the Right and Left, but almost entirely perceived anti-Israel extremism on the left.

Like Nick they are in favour of a 2 state solution to that and see the biggest threat to that coming from left wingers engaging with Palestinians for some reason.

In this case they have willfully misinterpreted a post from Greenstein that in effect says that idiots who make anti-Semitic statements on line in the UK do more damage to left wing anti-Zionists than Jewsish Zionists in the UK to pretend that he thinks that anti-Semitism does not and never has harm Jews.

In all this it is often easy to forget that Tony Greenstein is actually Jewish, although, in that peculiar brand of anti-Semitism that is never called out, he is apparently a "self hating Jew".

He is just a Jew who thinks socialist internationalism is the most important of all things and all nationalism, including Zionism, is inimicable to that.
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Butch Manly » 12 Mar 2018, 23:55

Copehead wrote:
German Dave wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:http://hurryupharry.org/2018/03/12/good-old-tony-greenstein/

Good to know that anti semitism doesn’t hurt Jews


I don't get it. What's hurryupharry and how does it relate?

I haven't forgotten the points made directly to me by Nick and Dougie, by the way. I intend to reply properly but it may be some time next week. Loads on at work this week.


Harry's Place is a blog that calls out extremism on the Right and Left, but almost entirely perceived anti-Israel extremism on the left.

Like Nick they are in favour of a 2 state solution to that and see the biggest threat to that coming from left wingers engaging with Palestinians for some reason.

In this case they have willfully misinterpreted a post from Greenstein that in effect says that idiots who make anti-Semitic statements on line in the UK do more damage to left wing anti-Zionists than Jewsish Zionists in the UK to pretend that he thinks that anti-Semitism does not and never has harm Jews.

In all this it is often easy to forget that Tony Greenstein is actually Jewish, although, in that peculiar brand of anti-Semitism that is never called out, he is apparently a "self hating Jew".

He is just a Jew who thinks socialist internationalism is the most important of all things and all nationalism, including Zionism, is inimicable to that.


Ah yes, the "Self-hating Jew." :roll:

Nowt suspect about that phrase in any way, no sir-ee.
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Deebank » 13 Mar 2018, 13:58

Copehead wrote:
yomptepi wrote:
Copehead wrote:that's the thing he is noticeably different, hence his burgeoning popularity.

It is decidedly odd but there you go, quite heartening really that people are turning their backs on spin and lies




You are sick.


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Your youngest neice would be impressed!
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Copehead » 14 Mar 2018, 01:31

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Your youngest neice would be impressed!
Mind you she thinks 5SOS are the sickest so what does she know? :?


Ferrari 550s :?

Did I really see photos of Tony G getting kicked in the head by fascists or did I dream them?
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Deebank » 14 Mar 2018, 09:28

Copehead wrote:
Deebank wrote:
Your youngest neice would be impressed!
Mind you she thinks 5SOS are the sickest so what does she know? :?


Ferrari 550s :?

Did I really see photos of Tony G getting kicked in the head by fascists or did I dream them?


Popular beat combo 5 Seconds Of Summer... they’re shite but your nieces like them.

Tony’s album of pics of him facing down and often legging it from various nazis certainly existed. I’m not sure when you might have seen it. Maybe we were chuckling at his antics in the union office? Did you ever meet him? He practically shared the office with me for two years!
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Rayge » 14 Mar 2018, 10:05

No intention of joining in the debate, but Pedanticus cannot be denied.

Palestinians, and for that mattter Arabs, are semites too.
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Toby » 14 Mar 2018, 20:27

Corbyn's position on Russia could be toxic. A difficult one for him - does he stick to his guns?

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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Copehead » 14 Mar 2018, 23:24

Deebank wrote:
Copehead wrote:
Deebank wrote:
Your youngest neice would be impressed!
Mind you she thinks 5SOS are the sickest so what does she know? :?


Ferrari 550s :?

Did I really see photos of Tony G getting kicked in the head by fascists or did I dream them?


Popular beat combo 5 Seconds Of Summer... they’re shite but your nieces like them.

Tony’s album of pics of him facing down and often legging it from various nazis certainly existed. I’m not sure when you might have seen it. Maybe we were chuckling at his antics in the union office? Did you ever meet him? He practically shared the office with me for two years!


It must have been in the Union office, I did meet him there, I remember it being photographs one of him bent double with a skinhead roundhouse kicking him to the head and upper body.

All I could think of was; who the fuck took that?

That's it love, hold it there, got it, lovely!


He is a legend and no mistake I am following him on twitter now. He is like Carter:

You're a big man, but you're in bad shape. With me it's a full time job.


He has pretty much given up his life to left wing politics, god knows how he deals with the abuse and lies

He had a glorious spat with someone the other day who was spraying around the usual anti-Semitic accusations and he replied that the guy was Nazi which sent him apoplectic

So then Tony tweeted photos the guy on a BF march standing next to their leadership group, most of whom are now in prison for incitement.

With a strap line like: "Perhaps my camera is anti-Semitic too"

Reeled him knowing he had photographic evidence of his Nazi tendencies.

Fantastic, what a mensch :)
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Butch Manly » 14 Mar 2018, 23:29

Rayge wrote:
Palestinians, and for that mattter Arabs, are semites too.


Yes, we know, but the term has now moved on to mean something else, has it not? As irritating as that may be.

(It may, though, prompt a few to consider how the two creeds are interconnected and how the two people coexisted fairly peacefully for quite some percentage of their existence)
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Postby Copehead » 14 Mar 2018, 23:46

Toby wrote:Corbyn's position on Russia could be toxic. A difficult one for him - does he stick to his guns?


Corbyn's position of Russia, like most things, seems a bit nuanced for the dumbed down politics of today when you have to shout anything very loudly straight away.

He unequivocally denounced the act, and was awaiting the end of the investigation into who did it. He then pointed out that the Tories had donations of nearly £1 million in the last few months from Russian Oligarchs who all have links to Putin.

Again the idea that Corbyn finds a fascistic dictator like Putin any more palatable than a bunch of religious nutjobs like Hamas is just so fucking stupid it doesn't really bare discussion.

Follow the money on this one and there is a Tory with its snout in a Russian trough at the end of it, the rest is just faux anger and finger pointing to try and disguise this.
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby yomptepi » 14 Mar 2018, 23:48

of course. Move along now. Nothing to see here...
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Postby Copehead » 15 Mar 2018, 00:51

yomptepi wrote:of course. Move along now. Nothing to see here...


Exactly Mike.

Glad you can see through the Tories bluster around all the money they've taken from shady Russians in the past few years.

Now they are looking rather treasonous so they are trying to make out Corbyn waiting to see what the Police say is unpatriotic whilst taking money from Putin's Kremlin to run the Tory Party is perfectly fine.

You'd have to be a right fucking mug to fall for that one wouldn't you?
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Re: Rees Mogg or Corbyn?

Postby Copehead » 15 Mar 2018, 01:55

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/mar/15/concern-at-rising-infant-mortality-rate-in-england-and-wales
More babies are dying within a year of being born, in a “disturbing reversal” of several decades of the NHS’s success in reducing infant mortality.


Yay Conservatives!

Not even the blessed Maggie managed this.
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Postby Samoan » 15 Mar 2018, 08:12

Chris Williamson with an interesting choice of reading material sat behind Corbyn in the chamber yesterday just prior to the Russia statement

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Postby Diamond Dog » 15 Mar 2018, 08:51

Samoan wrote:Chris Williamson with an interesting choice of reading material sat behind Corbyn in the chamber yesterday just prior to the Russia statement

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The Morning Star!!

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Postby Belle Lettre » 15 Mar 2018, 09:08

Meanwhile, cuts to free school meals were voted through.
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Postby Insouciant Western People » 15 Mar 2018, 11:35

Belle Lettre wrote:Meanwhile, cuts to free school meals were voted through.


You must have seen this, it's done the rounds on social media pretty widely.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-labour-arent-telling-the-full-story-about-free-school-meals
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Postby Belle Lettre » 15 Mar 2018, 12:19

I have, yes. Here's one of the replies I read, too.

Honest translation: "We aren't taking free meals from those children who currently get them, we're just ensuring that other needy children won't get the same benefit. Oh, except in Northern Ireland. Strange that..."
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