Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 16 Feb 2018, 23:51

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Duly noted Third Reich Dave!
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jimbo » 17 Feb 2018, 08:14

It is political and not - as the Baron assumes - a matter of legal procedure.

The UK’s hidden role in Assange’s detention
12 February 2018

It now emerges that the last four years of Julian Assange’s effective imprisonment in the Ecuadorean embassy in London have been entirely unnecessary. In fact, they depended on a legal charade.

Behind the scenes, Sweden wanted to drop the extradition case against Assange back in 2013. Why was this not made public? Because Britain persuaded Sweden to pretend that they still wished to pursue the case.

In other words, for more than four years Assange has been holed up in a tiny room, policed at great cost to British taxpayers, not because of any allegations in Sweden but because the British authorities wanted him to remain there. On what possible grounds could that be, one has to wonder? Might it have something to do with his work as the head of Wikileaks, publishing information from whistleblowers that has severely embarrassed the United States and the UK...

the chief CPS lawyer handling the case in the UK, had earlier written to the Swedish prosecutors: “Don’t you dare get cold feet!!!”


https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2018 ... detention/

UK prosecutors admit destroying key emails in Julian Assange case


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... sange-case
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby jimboo » 17 Feb 2018, 09:25

Jimbo wrote:It is political and not - as the Baron assumes - a matter of legal procedure.

The UK’s hidden role in Assange’s detention
12 February 2018

It now emerges that the last four years of Julian Assange’s effective imprisonment in the Ecuadorean embassy in London have been entirely unnecessary. In fact, they depended on a legal charade.

Behind the scenes, Sweden wanted to drop the extradition case against Assange back in 2013. Why was this not made public? Because Britain persuaded Sweden to pretend that they still wished to pursue the case.

In other words, for more than four years Assange has been holed up in a tiny room, policed at great cost to British taxpayers, not because of any allegations in Sweden but because the British authorities wanted him to remain there. On what possible grounds could that be, one has to wonder? Might it have something to do with his work as the head of Wikileaks, publishing information from whistleblowers that has severely embarrassed the United States and the UK...

the chief CPS lawyer handling the case in the UK, had earlier written to the Swedish prosecutors: “Don’t you dare get cold feet!!!”


https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2018 ... detention/

UK prosecutors admit destroying key emails in Julian Assange case


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... sange-case


Did the above post come from wikileaks? Kind of ironic if it didn't.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby LeBaron » 17 Feb 2018, 14:21

Jimbo wrote:It is political and not - as the Baron assumes - a matter of legal procedure.


You have conflated your imagined desires for the motive of British/Crown prosecutors with the decision making process of the judge, who is called to decide a legal issue. It may be true that the British authorities have ulterior motives, and it may be true that, deep inside, the judge's secret motives have gotten the best of him or her.

I would like to see the documents that the lawyers filed and the arguments they have made. Does anyone have a link for that? Without knowing more, it seems to me that there is a perfectly solid legal reason not to drop the bail jumping case and let bygones be bygones.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Insouciant Western People » 17 Feb 2018, 17:21

German Dave wrote:
Nick wrote:And that's before we get to the obvious primary point that there's a good case that Wikileaks has willfully endangered lives.


A bit like western foreign policy.


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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jimbo » 17 Feb 2018, 17:58

Nick wrote:
German Dave wrote:
Nick wrote:And that's before we get to the obvious primary point that there's a good case that Wikileaks has willfully endangered lives.


A bit like western foreign policy.


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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Robert » 17 Feb 2018, 18:25

A whistle blower, I believe, is someone who notices something wrong and alerts others.

The whole wikileaks thing seems to be throwing just anything they can put their hands on into the open. Regardless of understanding it, knowing how to assess it or realising how harmful it may be.

I wouldn’t call that journalism.

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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby LeBaron » 17 Feb 2018, 18:52

Here's the judge's actual decision.

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content ... eb2018.pdf
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Butch Manly » 17 Feb 2018, 19:44

Nick wrote:
German Dave wrote:
Nick wrote:And that's before we get to the obvious primary point that there's a good case that Wikileaks has willfully endangered lives.


A bit like western foreign policy.


Whataboutery.


I was hoping you'd get the subtext that Wikileaks exposure of Western war crimes may actually have the effect of saving lives, ultimately.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jimbo » 18 Feb 2018, 01:31

Very Stable Baron wrote:Here's the judge's actual decision.

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content ... eb2018.pdf


Thanks for that. It seems thorough enough but it isn't, especially regarding JA's fear of being sent back to the US.

14. I accept that Mr Assange had expressed fears of being returned to the United States from a very early stage in the Swedish extradition proceedings but, absent any evidence from Mr Assange on oath, I do not find that Mr Assange’s fears were reasonable. I do not accept that Sweden would have rendered Mr Assange to the United States. If that had happened there would have been a diplomatic crisis between the United Kingdom, Sweden and the United States which would have affected international relationships and extradition proceedings between the states.


Were there not calls from high US officials calling for his neck? And JA having seen how the US had treated Manning, called torturous by many, he had a a reasonable fear. While the UK judge's report does seem thorough in may ways this important consideration is missing.

Again, thanks, it was an enlightening look into legal procedure.

(Run, Julian, run!)

PS Giving the UK judge some benefit of doubt, maybe Assange's lawyers hadn't stressed this consderation themselves.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby LeBaron » 18 Feb 2018, 02:35

That’s probably the case, yeah.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Butch Manly » 18 Feb 2018, 06:49

Very Stable Baron wrote:That’s probably the case, yeah.
I’ll have to read through this with my thinking cap on. I don’t wear it on Saturday Nite.


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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

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German Dave wrote:
Very Stable Baron wrote:That’s probably the case, yeah.
I’ll have to read through this with my thinking cap on. I don’t wear it on Saturday Nite.


What have we become? :(

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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Butch Manly » 18 Feb 2018, 07:15

This is basically how Rome fell.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Toby » 18 Feb 2018, 08:07

Er really?

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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Butch Manly » 18 Feb 2018, 08:26

No, Toby. It's a joke.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Goat Boy » 18 Feb 2018, 09:44

Hard to tell these days, innit?
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Butch Manly » 18 Feb 2018, 11:15

Goat Boy wrote:Hard to tell these days, innit?


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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Joe Baxter » 19 Feb 2018, 16:51

Geezee wrote:
Jimbo wrote:He is a journalist who has just done too good a job, raked up more muck than he should have, afflicted too many powerful people.


I fail to see what any of this has to do with whether or not he rapes women?

Did he rape women?

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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

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Joe Baxter wrote:
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Jimbo wrote:He is a journalist who has just done too good a job, raked up more muck than he should have, afflicted too many powerful people.


I fail to see what any of this has to do with whether or not he rapes women?

Did he rape women?


I don't know - do you?
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