Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jimbo » 10 Jun 2018, 17:04

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Jimbo wrote:Apparently Assange knows his plight better than you and knows or highly suspects that he will be captured and sent to a place worse than his room at the embassy.


Are you suggesting that the USA would actually carry out a kidnapping with impunity in a sovereign state?


Not sure how it works. Look how they cancelled Snowden's passport while he was in a Russian airport - thus the reason Snowden is in Russia today. How about the Brits arrest him for jumping bail and then extradite him to the US on whatever charge they invent, like document theft or espionage. Obviously Assange is aware he is in danger and so won't just stroll out of the embassy. That there are fewer cops around there than before is meaningless because there are cameras to follow him. He's been denounced by Pence and Pompeo and if smart people like Piger and Catlain Johnstone say he is in danger then I'd take their word over Penk's and Jeemo's any day.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Goat Boy » 10 Jun 2018, 17:11

Maybe if he pissed off Putin I'd be worried about him.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Butch Manly » 10 Jun 2018, 17:14

A sort of "extraordinary rendition," as it were.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jimbo » 10 Jun 2018, 17:25

I fail to see how there is no compassion for the guy. The rape charges have been dropped so there is no reason to hate on him for that and what's left is a journalist whose done more to "afflict the comfortable" than any other in a long time.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Butch Manly » 10 Jun 2018, 17:33

Jimbo wrote:I fail to see how there is no compassion for the guy? The rape charges have been dropped so there is no reason to hate on him for that and what's left is a journalist whose done more to "afflict the comfortable" than any other in a long time.


I tend to agree. If we can't agree that the likes of Snowden and Assange are more admirable than the cunts they're exposing then we really are fucked.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jeemo » 10 Jun 2018, 17:47

Vic Snazell-Sprey wrote:
Jimbo wrote:I fail to see how there is no compassion for the guy? The rape charges have been dropped so there is no reason to hate on him for that and what's left is a journalist whose done more to "afflict the comfortable" than any other in a long time.


I tend to agree. If we can't agree that the likes of Snowden and Assange are more admirable than the cunts they're exposing then we really are fucked.


Not liking Adsange doesn't mean you support the other side. He took refuge in the face of the rape charges and possibly going on trial in Sweden. The charges have been dropped so everything is back to square one. Except of course Jimbo will believe any half baked conspiracy theory/deep state/ Bollocks that gets posted on the web. And Assange naively thinking he sjould get off scot free for wikileaks.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Goat Boy » 10 Jun 2018, 17:50

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39973864

But she said: "If he were to return to Sweden before the statute of limitation on this case expires in August 2020, the preliminary investigation could be resumed."

She said it was "regrettable we have not been able to carry out the investigation", and added: "We are not making any pronouncement about guilt."


Just because the charges were dropped does mean there was no veracity to them. Generally speaking in life if women accuse men of rape and molestation I take that pretty seriously. From what I've read about Assange from people who know him I suspect his attitude towards women is questionable to say the least. There are other things to dislike about the man as have been noted earlier in this thread and personally I doubt his motivations are anywhere near as noble as some would like to believe but he's become a poster boy for some I guess.

In short I think he's a bit of a cunt.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jeemo » 10 Jun 2018, 17:52

but Pilger etc
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Goat Boy » 10 Jun 2018, 17:57

Well, some people will side with twats because of who those twats are seemingly in opposition to. Assange was seen as giving a bloody nose to people who were long overdue it and maybe in the beginning there was an element of that but I think his journalistic ethics are non-existent and that any perceived noble intentions were more to do with his own self aggrandizement. Which isn't to say I would dismiss the value of wikileaks entirely but I think he lost any integrity a long time ago.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby PENK » 10 Jun 2018, 19:14

Exactly. Power corrupts etc. At some point it stopped being about exposing government abuse and misbehaviour and instead became about doing shit for the sake of it or (as we saw with the Clinton stuff) because it strengthens their own position.

If Assange walks out now nobody will do more than take him in for a waggly finger and a spanked bottom and he’ll lose a lot of face having portrayed hinself as Robin Hood for the last six years.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jimbo » 11 Jun 2018, 04:17

Goat Boy wrote:Maybe if he pissed off Putin I'd be worried about him.


You are implying that Wikileaks/Assange has a pro-Russiian bias. I had heard that Wikileaks covers Russian secrets but mostly what I have seen and heard about are American stuff like the DNC emails but just to see for myself I Yahoo-ed "Wikileaks Russia Putin's money" and came to the a Wikileaks run site called "Global Intelligence Files" featuring many articles and some with titles like those below.

https://search.wikileaks.org/advanced?o ... d=&any_of=

RUSSIA - Russian editorial sees Putin's monopoly on power as threat to social stability


Russian paper examines business connections of Putin's friends


Putin's new world order?


Putin's Declining Ratings, Possible Lack of Appeal to 'Ordinary' People Eyed


Putin's return may drive Russia into neo-isolationism, new Cold War


Half Of Russians Not Planning To Vote Of Putin's Front In Elections - Poll


Experts Skeptical about Putin's Suggestion that Russia Annex South Ossetia


PUTIN'S YAMAL MEETING WITH INTERNATIONAL ENERGY CEO'S YIELDS FEW RESULTS


Russian radio station chief questions Putin's remarks about oil trader
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Goat Boy » 11 Jun 2018, 08:24

I was trying to imply that if anybody was going to act with impunity it would be Russia more than America. I suspect Putin likes the destabilising affect of Wikileaks and the fact that it feeds into anti-Western thought
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

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Goat Boy wrote: I suspect Putin likes the destabilising affect of Wikileaks and the fact that it feeds into anti-Western thought


He likes it enough to have paid Assange to present a show about politics for Russian state TV.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Goat Boy » 11 Jun 2018, 09:51

Besht matez
Griff wrote:The notion that Jeremy Corbyn, a lifelong vocal proponent of antisemitism, would stand in front of an antisemitic mural and commend it is utterly preposterous.


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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Sneelock » 21 Jul 2018, 19:24

So, the scuttlebutt is that Ecuador is about to hand him over to the U.K.
If that’s true, what happens next?
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Rayge » 21 Jul 2018, 19:26

sneelock wrote:So, the scuttlebutt is that Ecuador is about to hand him over to the U.K.
If that’s true, what happens next?

They'll lose him
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Sneelock » 23 Jul 2018, 00:27

Keep an eye on your Starbucks.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby bobzilla77 » 23 Jul 2018, 18:45

I mainly hope that Trump pisses Assange off, and in retaliation, Assange releases every email the GOP has sent to anyone in the last ten years.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

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sneelock wrote:So, the scuttlebutt is that Ecuador is about to hand him over to the U.K.
If that’s true, what happens next?


We will trade him as a part of Brexit.
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