Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Joe Baxter » 07 Mar 2018, 10:43

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I fail to see what any of this has to do with whether or not he rapes women?

Did he rape women?


I don't know - do you?

I don't know either, but I read about it at the time, and gist of it is that he slept with a woman who was a willing participant. Sometime later, he woke up and started shagging her again, this is what she called rape.
He, quite correctly in my view, thought he would never get a fair trial in Sweden, and took steps to avoid being there. He said he was more than happy to be tried in the UK. Doesn't sound like a rapist to me.

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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Geezee » 08 Mar 2018, 14:57

Joe Baxter wrote: thought he would never get a fair trial in Sweden


because?
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Postby Insouciant Western People » 09 Mar 2018, 20:50

Geezee wrote:
Joe Baxter wrote: thought he would never get a fair trial in Sweden


because?


Quite.

Because Sweden is well-known as an intolerant and oppressive state, and violator of human rights.
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Postby Jimbo » 09 Jun 2018, 01:53

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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jeemo » 09 Jun 2018, 08:30

he's in grave danger of walking out the door anytime he wants.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby yomptepi » 09 Jun 2018, 10:28

Jeemo wrote:he's in grave danger of walking out the door anytime he wants.


My understanding is that the police guard on the door was removed some time ago, and that he is free to leave if he wants. The problem is that he has become institutionalised in his room, and now believes the entire British legal system is hell bent on arresting him as soon as he sets foot outside the door. Poor deluded irrelevant prick that he is.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jeemo » 09 Jun 2018, 13:10

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Jeemo wrote:he's in grave danger of walking out the door anytime he wants.


My understanding is that the police guard on the door was removed some time ago, and that he is free to leave if he wants. The problem is that he has become institutionalised in his room, and now believes the entire British legal system is hell bent on arresting him as soon as he sets foot outside the door. Poor deluded irrelevant prick that he is.


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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jimbo » 09 Jun 2018, 16:04

Jeemo wrote:he's in grave danger of walking out the door anytime he wants.


What a dummy! It makes perfect sense. If all he has to do is walk out the door why won't he do that?
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Geezee » 09 Jun 2018, 18:05

Jimbo wrote:
Jeemo wrote:he's in grave danger of walking out the door anytime he wants.


What a dummy! It makes perfect sense. If all he has to do is walk out the door why won't he do that?



Because he is a lunatic of Jimbo proportions.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jeemo » 09 Jun 2018, 18:09

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Jeemo wrote:he's in grave danger of walking out the door anytime he wants.


What a dummy! It makes perfect sense. If all he has to do is walk out the door why won't he do that?


because he is an entitled throbber
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jimbo » 10 Jun 2018, 00:00

Jeemo wrote:
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Jeemo wrote:he's in grave danger of walking out the door anytime he wants.


What a dummy! It makes perfect sense. If all he has to do is walk out the door why won't he do that?


because he is an entitled throbber


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John Pilger’s Statement

“There is a silence among many who call themselves left. The silence is Julian Assange. As every false accusation has fallen away, every bogus smear shown to be the work of political enemies, Julian stands vindicated as one who has exposed a system that threatens humanity. The Collateral Damage video, the war logs of Afghanistan and Iraq, the Cablegate revelations, the Venezuela revelations, the Podesta email revelations … these are just a few of the storms of raw truth that have blown through the capitals of rapacious power. The fakery of Russia-gate, the collusion of a corrupt media and the shame of a legal system that pursues truth-tellers have not been able to hold back the raw truth of WikiLeaks revelations. They have not won, not yet, and they have not destroyed the man. Only the silence of good people will allow them to win. Julian Assange has never been more isolated. He needs your support and your voice. Now more than ever is the time to demand justice and free speech for Julian. Thank you.”
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby PENK » 10 Jun 2018, 08:20

What ”justice” should we be demanding for a man who has spent years holed up in a foreign embassy to avoid his rape trial?
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jeemo » 10 Jun 2018, 09:27

Jimbo wrote:
Jeemo wrote:
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What a dummy! It makes perfect sense. If all he has to do is walk out the door why won't he do that?


because he is an entitled throbber


Can't let that poppy get too tall, you know.

John Pilger’s Statement

“There is a silence among many who call themselves left. The silence is Julian Assange. As every false accusation has fallen away, every bogus smear shown to be the work of political enemies, Julian stands vindicated as one who has exposed a system that threatens humanity. The Collateral Damage video, the war logs of Afghanistan and Iraq, the Cablegate revelations, the Venezuela revelations, the Podesta email revelations … these are just a few of the storms of raw truth that have blown through the capitals of rapacious power. The fakery of Russia-gate, the collusion of a corrupt media and the shame of a legal system that pursues truth-tellers have not been able to hold back the raw truth of WikiLeaks revelations. They have not won, not yet, and they have not destroyed the man. Only the silence of good people will allow them to win. Julian Assange has never been more isolated. He needs your support and your voice. Now more than ever is the time to demand justice and free speech for Julian. Thank you.”
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/06/09/t ... ange-case/


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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby ORORORO » 10 Jun 2018, 09:42

PENK wrote:What ”justice” should we be demanding for a man who has spent years holed up in a foreign embassy to avoid his rape trial?


but.....Pilger
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Vic Snazell-Sprey » 10 Jun 2018, 09:44

PENK wrote:What ”justice” should we be demanding for a man who has spent years holed up in a foreign embassy to avoid his rape trial?


I honestly don't know the details of the case but I was struck by how incredibly convenient the accusation was - I'll admit that my first instinct is that this was a trumped-up charge to eliminate what the West - and the USA in particular - saw as a very dangerous man. Happy to be put right.

Assange/Wikileaks has done more good than bad, it seems to me. It has a held a mirror up to the West's face. Of course, people have a problem with its indiscriminate revelations (it bothers me, too ) and with Assange's less-than-cuddly personality, but I'm not sure that should even come into it.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Vic Snazell-Sprey » 10 Jun 2018, 09:45

The Venerable B. Eef wrote:
but.....Pilger


Does Pilger not make some good points, John?
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby ORORORO » 10 Jun 2018, 10:21

He does. It was my response to Ed, who I think oversimplified the situation.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby PENK » 10 Jun 2018, 15:03

I’m genuinely not sure what point Pilger is trying to make, though.

Assange is free to leave the Ecuadorean embassy. The rape charges have been dropped. There are no plans to extradite him. The only case open against him regards his jumping bail when he went in there.

I am not sure how he does not have ”free speech”. He is very active online - on Twitter, for example - although his Internet access was temporarily cut off during his time in the embassy but that was because he was found to have been attempting to interfere in the US election by releasing the Clinton emails. And because he was allegedly snooping on embassy staff’s emails and Internet use.

I don’t think he is in need of ”justice” so much as publicity. The main danger he faces by leaving is that he loses the one thing - his supposed pursuit by the US government - that keeps him in the public eye.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jimbo » 10 Jun 2018, 15:27

PENK wrote:I’m genuinely not sure what point Pilger is trying to make, though.

Assange is free to leave the Ecuadorean embassy. The rape charges have been dropped. There are no plans to extradite him. The only case open against him regards his jumping bail when he went in there.


Apparently Assange knows his plight better than you and knows or highly suspects that he will be captured and sent to a place worse than his room at the embassy.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Vic Snazell-Sprey » 10 Jun 2018, 16:18

Jimbo wrote:Apparently Assange knows his plight better than you and knows or highly suspects that he will be captured and sent to a place worse than his room at the embassy.


Are you suggesting that the USA would actually carry out a kidnapping with impunity in a sovereign state?
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