Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

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Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jimbo » 16 Feb 2018, 11:43

I vote let him go. He is a journalist who has just done too good a job, raked up more muck than he should have, afflicted too many powerful people. Let him go.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby clive gash » 16 Feb 2018, 11:47

He is free to go.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jimbo » 16 Feb 2018, 11:48

nev harp wrote:He is free to go.


So that's a no.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Dr Markus » 16 Feb 2018, 12:38

Sure Pamela must be getting restless.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Geezee » 16 Feb 2018, 13:17

Jimbo wrote:
nev harp wrote:He is free to go.


So that's a no.


No, you seem to have misread - that's a yes.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Geezee » 16 Feb 2018, 13:18

Jimbo wrote:He is a journalist who has just done too good a job, raked up more muck than he should have, afflicted too many powerful people.


I fail to see what any of this has to do with whether or not he rapes women?
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby The Red Nosed Heifer » 16 Feb 2018, 13:28

nev harp wrote:He is free to go.


He sure is.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jimbo » 16 Feb 2018, 13:31

Geezee wrote:
Jimbo wrote:He is a journalist who has just done too good a job, raked up more muck than he should have, afflicted too many powerful people.


I fail to see what any of this has to do with whether or not he rapes women?


Why must you be so oblique? First, you say he is free to leave, but you know he will be nabbed by the British police as soon as he steps out of the embassy. And then you imply he is a rapist but the rape charges have been dropped. Based upon my interpretation of your comments I get the strong feeling you don't want to see him go free.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Geezee » 16 Feb 2018, 14:03

Jimbo wrote:
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Jimbo wrote:He is a journalist who has just done too good a job, raked up more muck than he should have, afflicted too many powerful people.


I fail to see what any of this has to do with whether or not he rapes women?


Why must you be so oblique? First, you say he is free to leave, but you know he will be nabbed by the British police as soon as he steps out of the embassy. And then you imply he is a rapist but the rape charges have been dropped. Based upon my interpretation of your comments I get the strong feeling you don't want to see him go free.


Your question is whether he is "free to leave" - which he is.
I never implied in any way whatsoever that he is a rapist. I have no idea if he is or not since he evaded the famously CIA-directed Swedish justice system. But that was the background to this entire case, and hence anything that he has done, good or bad, in the name of journalism has nothing to do with anything. I'm a very strong supporter of Wikileaks - but as soon as you start saying that someone is "too good" at something to actually face his day in court for something entirely different, I think you are on very, very shaky ground. It has nothing to do with anything.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jimbo » 16 Feb 2018, 14:43

Geezee wrote: I'm a very strong supporter of Wikileaks - but as soon as you start saying that someone is "too good" at something to actually face his day in court for something entirely different, I think you are on very, very shaky ground. It has nothing to do with anything.


I support Wikileaks too. And I see my opening post was poorly written and what I meant was that Assage/Wikileaks is being punished for being so good at his job … too good. But again I am confused by your writing. If Sweden has let him off the hook then why must he face a court? I read that his charge in Britain was jumping bail but since the original charge from Sweden was dropped then the bail jumping is moot -or should be made moot by a British court. Instead the UK court still wants to see him and he isn't taking the bait. He's staying put in the embassy. That's how I see it.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby yomptepi » 16 Feb 2018, 14:47

My understanding is that the police no longer have an officer on the door of the embassy. Personally I would like him to leave, and fuck off to Ecuador where I hope he and his cowardly ass can contemplate what a chicken shit fuck he has been. Before all this nonsense i thoight he was a force for good. His behaviour has ensured he will forever be considered a clown and and coward.
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Postby Dor-Relip Hotels and Bathings » 16 Feb 2018, 14:49

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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Insouciant Western People » 16 Feb 2018, 14:58

I don't support Wikileaks. Dumping confidential documents wholesale into the public domain is not only not good journalism, I'm not even sure it's journalism at all.

And that's before we get to the obvious primary point that there's a good case that Wikileaks has willfully endangered lives. There's a reckless abdication of ethics and responsibility, things that should be sacred to a journalist.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Stille Baron » 16 Feb 2018, 15:18

Jimbo wrote:
Geezee wrote: I'm a very strong supporter of Wikileaks - but as soon as you start saying that someone is "too good" at something to actually face his day in court for something entirely different, I think you are on very, very shaky ground. It has nothing to do with anything.


I support Wikileaks too. And I see my opening post was poorly written and what I meant was that Assage/Wikileaks is being punished for being so good at his job … too good. But again I am confused by your writing. If Sweden has let him off the hook then why must he face a court? I read that his charge in Britain was jumping bail but since the original charge from Sweden was dropped then the bail jumping is moot -or should be made moot by a British court. Instead the UK court still wants to see him and he isn't taking the bait. He's staying put in the embassy. That's how I see it.


The bail jumping case is in no way moot. That charges are no longer pending doesn’t change the fact he is (apparently) accused of jumping bail at a time when they were pending. Once charges go away, you aren’t allowed to holler King’s X.

I have mixed feelings about Wikileaks, and I’m not up to speed on the state of the accusations against him. But in my view, if you’re going to break laws as a matter of principle, then you must be willing to do time as a matter of principle. So Yomp is basically on point.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Toby » 16 Feb 2018, 15:21

A rapey twat.

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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jimbo » 16 Feb 2018, 15:27

Very Stable Baron wrote:
The bail jumping case is in no way moot. That charges are no longer pending doesn’t change the fact he is (apparently) accused of jumping bail at a time when they were pending. Once charges go away, you aren’t allowed to holler King’s X.

I have mixed feelings about Wikileaks, and I’m not up to speed on the state of the accusations against him. But in my view, if you’re going to break laws as a matter of principle, then you must be willing to do time as a matter of principle. So Yomp is basically on point.


They were waiting for a judge to make a ruling as to whether he was still wanted for bail jumping and she ruled that he was. So it was possible that the judge could have rescinded the charge but (IMO for political reasons) didn't.

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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 16 Feb 2018, 15:31

I really don’t know a thing about where he stands legally. But Nick is right...he’s no journalist.

On a karmic level, I wish him what he deserves.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Stille Baron » 16 Feb 2018, 15:32

Jimbo wrote:
Very Stable Baron wrote:
The bail jumping case is in no way moot. That charges are no longer pending doesn’t change the fact he is (apparently) accused of jumping bail at a time when they were pending. Once charges go away, you aren’t allowed to holler King’s X.

I have mixed feelings about Wikileaks, and I’m not up to speed on the state of the accusations against him. But in my view, if you’re going to break laws as a matter of principle, then you must be willing to do time as a matter of principle. So Yomp is basically on point.


They were waiting for a judge to make a ruling as to whether he was still wanted for bail jumping and she ruled that he was. So it was possible that the judge could have rescinded the charge but (IMO for political reasons) didn't.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/ ... st-warrant


Why would you assume something was for political reasons when there is a strong, nearly unassailable legal reason? Everything the judge is quoted as saying is completely reasonable and uncontroversial. You and Assange’s lawyers are inventing a controversy where there is none. Credit to the lawyers, that’s their job and I would do exactly the same thing if he was my client. I would also tell him he’s probably fucked. I’m sorry your powers of skepticism have failed you.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby toomanyhatz » 16 Feb 2018, 15:36

I too agree with Nick.
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Re: Should Julian Assange be free to leave?

Postby Jimbo » 16 Feb 2018, 15:38

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:I really don’t know a thing about where he stands legally. But Nick is right...he’s no journalist.


And the CIA and FBI are not my parents but they can still peek into my computer history and read my email. It's not like it used to be, It's a new kind of ball game. Wikileaks is a tattling bulwark against this kind of government overreach. It let's them know that we're watching them while they watch us.
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