Shooting in Florida

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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby PresMuffley » 05 Mar 2018, 18:27

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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby sloopjohnc » 13 Mar 2018, 21:18

Yesterday, I was coming home from work and my commute takes me past a local high school. Last night, there were cops guiding traffic and I didn't know why. It was late, a couple hours past school ending so I wondered what event was going on.

Turns out the local US rep organized Steve Kerr, who's head coach of the Warriors and whose dad was assassinated as a college president in Lebanon, and a older sibling of two students at Parkland High in Florida were talking to local students.

Here's the story from regional sports site:


Steve Kerr was 18 years old when his father was killed by gun violence.

Malcolm H. Kerr was the president of the American University of Beirut in 1984 when he was killed in a terrorist attack. He was 52 years old.

Now 52 years old himself, Steve Kerr is determined to do what he can to make sure no one else has to feel the loss he felt on that day in January 1984.

Kerr has been vocal in interviews and on Twitter in his support of stricter gun laws and the need to address this issue and was invited by U.S. Rep. Ro Khanna to a town hall on gun violence at Newark Memorial High to take questions from students themselves.

“I think his courage is not to be underestimated, it is so unusual to see someone of his stature take a stand on a political issue, and it speaks to how important this issue is to him, how personal it is to him, that he's willing to do it,” Khanna said prior to the event. “He's canceled a Warriors practice, he's coming out here to speak to young people, and I think he sees what so many of us see, that there's a moment in this country that can make a difference and if he can lend his voice to that he wants to be part of it. I really admire him for it and I hope more people like him will speak out.”

Kerr's message was simple — that while he does have a large platform as an NBA coach, it will ultimately not be up to him to get things done.

“I'm not going to be able to do it, Ro's not going to be able to do it, the old guys aren't going to be able to do it,” Kerr said during the town hall. “It's the young people. You guys are going to be able to do it, it’s the next generation, it’s the youth.”

He made sure to mention again and again that it's up to the youth of the country to not only be vocal, but to get out and vote and make their voices heard.

And they were heard. The gym was filled with high schoolers from all over the area, and they came prepared. No one pulled any punches asking questions ranging from what the NBA is doing to help combat gun violence and what Kerr himself can do to make a difference to questions about arming teachers and better dealing with mental health.

But while Kerr may have been the main attraction, it was Matt Deitsch who was the star.

The 20-year-old from Parkland is the brother of two survivors of the shooting and was a part of the panel with Kerr and Khanna. He wore a shirt with a simple message: “stop gun violence.” Kerr was seated right in the center in between Khanna and Deitsch and more than once he turned over a question for Deitsch to answer.

“I don't represent Congress, I don't represent one of the most stacked teams in NBA history, I represent the 17 people who lost their lives on February 14th,” Deitsch said during the event. “Seventeen people, who in their last effort of life made a conscious effort to save someone else. Every single one of them died a hero.”

Deitsch is a part of the “March For Our Lives,” which is organizing a march on Washington, D.C., on March 24 as well as marches all around the country and the world. There are 11 such marches currently planned around the Bay Area. Kerr said he will take part in the march in San Francisco.

“Right off the bat, he knew everything that I was going through with the movement. He said he was marching before I even mentioned the march — it’s stuff like that,” Deitsch said of Kerr after the town hall. “He’s incredibly politically active, if that can radiate through the NBA and other communities, I think it would have a major impact.”

Someone who just attended the event might've thought Kerr and Deitsch had known each other for years or at least months, with Kerr constantly saying things, like “I should just hand the mic to Matt,” and, “he knows a lot more about this stuff than I do.”

But in reality they had just met less than an hour before.

“I met him in the green room, which is the locker room over there, and he was really nice right away,” Deitsch said after the event. “He talked about his experience, I talked about my experience and we really connected over that. He’s a really smart guy. I think it’s really important to have social influencers out here sort of sculpting the message for the young people who really respect the NBA and other role models.”

And of course, Deitsch had to make sure the coach knew of his NBA2K exploits.

“The first thing I told him was I beat so many of my friends in 2K using you, so it’s a huge honor to actually meet you in person,” Deitsch said. “He said he was super impressed by everything we were doing in Parkland.”

But while Deitsch and Kerr did have time to joke, the town hall itself was all business and truly a moving event showing not only the influence Kerr has as coach of the Warriors, but the power and voice of the youth of America. It wasn't about getting direct answers or solving problems, but about keeping the conversation going and keeping it going as loud as possible.

“For the first time, it feels like something is happening,” Kerr said during the event. “… And so you guys have the responsibility to keep that going.”

And if Monday in that gymnasium in Newark is any indication, those kids will have no problem doing just that.
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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 25 Mar 2018, 18:15

Apparently there was a march yesterday.
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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby ORORORO » 25 Mar 2018, 19:04

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Apparently there was a march yesterday.


Get yer priorities straight! People have proggy woggy woo to talk about!
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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby Six String » 25 Mar 2018, 19:26

The photos documenting the event around the world was uplifting. It's looking more and more like it's going to stick this time.
I bet these politicians are shitting their collective pants.

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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby John aka Josh » 25 Mar 2018, 20:31

Six String wrote:The photos documenting the event around the world was uplifting. It's looking more and more like it's going to stick this time.
I bet these politicians are shitting their collective pants.




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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby Belle Lettre » 25 Mar 2018, 21:21

Even Macca marched in New York.

I hope they all keep it up.
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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby Six String » 25 Mar 2018, 22:15

We'll know by summer when the November election activity picks up. If this can force politicians to make a stand one way or the other it can allow an opportunity to vote out people who resist the idea of gun control. Time will tell but it feels different this time. Old people can lose energy and stamina for a fight but young people are a different matter. If they truly want it I think it's going to happen.

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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby take5_d_shorterer » 26 Mar 2018, 00:48

Politicians and the NRA probably know this already, but timing is not on their side.

Summer means two things:

1) students will have more time to spend if they want to advocate for a particular issue,
2) the weather is optimal for large-scale events, marches, and protests.

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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby sloopjohnc » 26 Mar 2018, 18:01

I watched some of the March for Our Lives speeches and was overwhelmed at the maturity and eloquence of some of the speakers. I wouldn't have been able to do what they did at their ages.





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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby bobzilla77 » 26 Mar 2018, 18:20

It was all over the place, here's a report from the march in Burbank.

http://thelosangelesbeat.com/2018/03/photo-gallery-march-for-our-lives-burbank/
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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby bobzilla77 » 26 Mar 2018, 18:30

Big on FB this weekend, Richie Furay's tweet describing the activists as "victims of a left winged conspiracy" or something like that. He just did a gig in LA a couple weeks ago with many locals backing him on the Buffalo Springfield catalog, and some of those people are now disavowing him.

You know it's a big hairy issue and I understand there are people who feel in their hearts that gun control is not the right solution to the problem. I disagree but I do understand that they genuinely feel this way and are not all malicious, violent people.

But it's very disheartening to see people demonizing those kids. The narrative says, they must be trained crisis actors rather than real students - then they can discredited and no one will listen to them. When it turns out that they are actually just kids that go to that high school, the narrative shifts: now, they must be brainwashed by a sinister left wing force if they feel that way.

No one wants to to face them as actual kids who demand a debate on the merits of current gun policy. But they're doing a good job keeping focus. My heart goes out to them.
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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby sloopjohnc » 26 Mar 2018, 18:41

bobzilla77 wrote:Big on FB this weekend, Richie Furay's tweet describing the activists as "victims of a left winged conspiracy" or something like that. He just did a gig in LA a couple weeks ago with many locals backing him on the Buffalo Springfield catalog, and some of those people are now disavowing him.

You know it's a big hairy issue and I understand there are people who feel in their hearts that gun control is not the right solution to the problem. I disagree but I do understand that they genuinely feel this way and are not all malicious, violent people.

But it's very disheartening to see people demonizing those kids. The narrative says, they must be trained crisis actors rather than real students - then they can discredited and no one will listen to them. When it turns out that they are actually just kids that go to that high school, the narrative shifts: now, they must be brainwashed by a sinister left wing force if they feel that way.

No one wants to to face them as actual kids who demand a debate on the merits of current gun policy. But they're doing a good job keeping focus. My heart goes out to them.


I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but actors generally don't like acting with children because the adults get upstaged.

This is what's happening now on a social level. They don't have an "agenda" besides wanting to feel safe at home, on their way to school and at school.

I saw lots of tweets from ex Military this weekend saying that they support gun control. That could be my social media sphere talking too - I give you that.
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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby sneelock » 26 Mar 2018, 18:52

IMO, The American Right has been getting away with being a Junkyard Dog at least as far back as “Shock & Awe”, maybe even as far back as Clinton’s first term.

It is their default position regardless of how goddam ghoulish it makes them look to others. They only care about the people who agree with them. If they try hard enough -nothing else crosses their radar.

One of the highlights of this past weekend were the number of hunters and conservatives with cameras in their faces. So many were willing to be counted with the Florida youngsters and shame the NRA. They still identify as conservatives but they know ghoulishness when they see it. It lifts my spirits to see them willing to stand up and be counted.

Still a bummer about Richie but what you gonna do? His music is gift enough.
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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby Count Machuki » 26 Mar 2018, 19:11

bobzilla77 wrote:Big on FB this weekend, Richie Furay's tweet describing the activists as "victims of a left winged conspiracy" or something like that. He just did a gig in LA a couple weeks ago with many locals backing him on the Buffalo Springfield catalog, and some of those people are now disavowing him.



How about Dude from Eagles of Death Metal...wow

Bataclan survivor Jesse Hughes calls March for Our Lives 'pathetic'
The Eagles of Death Metal frontman also compared handing in guns to prevent gun violence to men dismembering themselves to end rape, and accused Parkland shooting survivor Emma González of treason


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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby sloopjohnc » 26 Mar 2018, 19:19

Count Machuki wrote:
bobzilla77 wrote:Big on FB this weekend, Richie Furay's tweet describing the activists as "victims of a left winged conspiracy" or something like that. He just did a gig in LA a couple weeks ago with many locals backing him on the Buffalo Springfield catalog, and some of those people are now disavowing him.



How about Dude from Eagles of Death Metal...wow

Bataclan survivor Jesse Hughes calls March for Our Lives 'pathetic'
The Eagles of Death Metal frontman also compared handing in guns to prevent gun violence to men dismembering themselves to end rape, and accused Parkland shooting survivor Emma González of treason


:shock:


If you've seen or read previous comments on similar topics, he's pretty hardcore.
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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby bobzilla77 » 26 Mar 2018, 20:02

Count Machuki wrote:
bobzilla77 wrote:Big on FB this weekend, Richie Furay's tweet describing the activists as "victims of a left winged conspiracy" or something like that. He just did a gig in LA a couple weeks ago with many locals backing him on the Buffalo Springfield catalog, and some of those people are now disavowing him.



How about Dude from Eagles of Death Metal...wow

Bataclan survivor Jesse Hughes calls March for Our Lives 'pathetic'
The Eagles of Death Metal frontman also compared handing in guns to prevent gun violence to men dismembering themselves to end rape, and accused Parkland shooting survivor Emma González of treason


:shock:


I think we all knew he felt that way. He's pretty much aligned with Nugent on the issues.

I remember when U2 tapped them to open their Paris gig following the Bataclan attack, and thinking "that's gonna be an interesting backstage dinner conversation." You know, AS IF U2 sit in a communal room with their opening band shooting the shit while waiting for showtime...
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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby sneelock » 26 Mar 2018, 20:08

You mean... they don’t? :shock:
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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby bobzilla77 » 26 Mar 2018, 21:55

Well I have to admit I didn't watch the HBO documentary about their historic meeting so, it's possible they do. Bono hangs out with all kinds of unsavory types hoping he can get them to agree on something, maybe I shouldn't assume he's too good to eat with the road crew.
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Re: Shooting in Florida

Postby Six String » 27 Mar 2018, 00:12

sneelock wrote:IMO, The American Right has been getting away with being a Junkyard Dog at least as far back as “Shock & Awe”, maybe even as far back as Clinton’s first term.

It is their default position regardless of how goddam ghoulish it makes them look to others. They only care about the people who agree with them. If they try hard enough -nothing else crosses their radar.

One of the highlights of this past weekend were the number of hunters and conservatives with cameras in their faces. So many were willing to be counted with the Florida youngsters and shame the NRA. They still identify as conservatives but they know ghoulishness when they see it. It lifts my spirits to see them willing to stand up and be counted.

Still a bummer about Richie but what you gonna do? His music is gift enough.


Real hunters don't use AK-47s. That's for collectors who like to go out and break shit like twelve year olds. Watch me obliterate that sign! Etc..... at this point I don't know why a collector would even want to hold on to the idea of needing to own an assault rifle. Times have changed.