Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Harvey K-Tel » 23 Jan 2018, 16:53

Minnie the Minx wrote:By the looks of that map I think K-Tel needs his pocket money sharply reduced!!


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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Minnie the Minx » 23 Jan 2018, 16:55

Harvey K-Tel wrote:
Minnie the Minx wrote:By the looks of that map I think K-Tel needs his pocket money sharply reduced!!


Never forget your roots, Min.



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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Harvey K-Tel » 23 Jan 2018, 17:01

Minnie the Minx wrote:
Harvey K-Tel wrote:
Minnie the Minx wrote:By the looks of that map I think K-Tel needs his pocket money sharply reduced!!


Never forget your roots, Min.



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:roll:

Fine.

Never forget your HERITAGE, Min.

Sheesh.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Minnie the Minx » 23 Jan 2018, 17:09

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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Dr Markus » 23 Jan 2018, 17:16

The Prof wrote:
Robert wrote:If you look at scandinavian countries, you see both the price and consumption are much higher than in the UK.


Not sure this map holds that to be true consumption-wise.

There does, however, seem to be a connection between climate and alcohol consumption (though that's probably skewed considerably by religion too)

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You need to take in to consideration, drinking habits too. Like In some countries is that have a glass or two of wine at dinner or a beer, or like us Irish, binge drinking.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Robert » 23 Jan 2018, 20:52

The Prof wrote:
Robert wrote:If you look at scandinavian countries, you see both the price and consumption are much higher than in the UK.


Not sure this map holds that to be true consumption-wise.

There does, however, seem to be a connection between climate and alcohol consumption (though that's probably skewed considerably by religion too)

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Well done Rupert!

But........... alcohol is bloody expensive there!

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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Six String » 24 Jan 2018, 20:28

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The Prof wrote:
Robert wrote:If you look at scandinavian countries, you see both the price and consumption are much higher than in the UK.


Not sure this map holds that to be true consumption-wise.

There does, however, seem to be a connection between climate and alcohol consumption (though that's probably skewed considerably by religion too)

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You need to take in to consideration, drinking habits too. Like In some countries is that have a glass or two of wine at dinner or a beer, or like us Irish, binge drinking.


That's a very good point. It is excess not habit that can lead to harm.

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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Insouciant Western People » 29 Jan 2018, 15:41

Robert wrote:There is really no point in taxing it higher.

If you look at scandinavian countries, you see both the price and consumption are much higher than in the UK.


And in Norway at least, the places where you can buy anything stronger than beer are very limited. Unless you stop to stock up at airport duty free shops on arrival (and from what I've seen, returning Norwegians fall upon the duty free like a plague of locusts on a field of crops), if you want anything harder you have to seek out a government-run Vinmonopolet shop, and they are few and far between.

Even in a city the size of Bergen, there are only one or two Vinmonopolets, and the one I visited there was no bigger than a Tesco local supermarket. A bottle of average plonk wine cost around £15-£20, and you'd pay £35 at least for a bottle of bog standard blended scotch whisky.

God alone knows what decent stuff costs, I couldn't bear to look.

Even in general stores where they sell beer, you can't buy it after 6pm, and they won't sell it at all on Sundays.

I love Norway dearly, it's one of my favourite countries. But their policy on booze is fucking crackers. No wonder they form black metal bands and worship Cthulhu.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby ORORORO » 14 May 2018, 14:51

And now they've reduced the sugar content of Irn Bru! they must be devastated
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Dr Markus » 14 May 2018, 14:53

I think it's the alcohol mixed with it that is the problem.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Your Friendly Neighbourhood Postman » 14 May 2018, 16:39

I think I've seen this question/debate before -

for quite some time I occupied myself with the medical (brain science) model of addiction. OK, it does have its merits (in the sense that every contribution that brings new information is welcome). Later, I stepped outside these fields of research, and I found some interesting people who try to provide a broader view.

See this, for instance:

http://www.brucekalexander.com/articles ... ddiction-6

(this is one of several fine texts on prof. Alexander's homepages).

Another interesting contributor is Johann Hari:

https://www.thenation.com/article/addic ... hann-hari/

https://www.ethics-based-on-science.com ... n-hari.pdf

http://chasingthescream.com/

The War on Drugs is profitable, though not for those who've fallen prey to a dependency, IMHO. One has to take into account the social factors (causes).

Poverty, loneliness, and despair are strong drivers. The current opioid crisis in the USA is an example:

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/up ... 17bpea.pdf

And hey, in a wider context: Ollie North is back!

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/12/oli ... an-contra/
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby sloopjohnc » 14 May 2018, 19:44

It kinda makes sense to tax the shit out of alcohol and cigarettes since they lead to lots of health related problems that have to be paid for later in all types of medical costs.

In California, the tobacco tax goes to highways and infrastructure, I believe.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

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sloopjohnc wrote:It kinda makes sense to tax the shit out of alcohol and cigarettes since they lead to lots of health related problems that have to be paid for later in all types of medical costs.

In California, the tobacco tax goes to highways and infrastructure, I believe.


That makes sense.

Those aching for tar fund the use of tarmac for better highways.

Even I can see the logic here.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby The Red Heifer » 14 May 2018, 21:52

We have an "alcopops tax" here in Australia, but I don't get the point. It's making just buying the bottle of spirit and the mixer separately not much more expensive than the Ready To Drink cans/bottles, which is more dangerous to me as at least with the RTD's the ABV% is consistent.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

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Your Friendly Neighbourhood Postman wrote:
sloopjohnc wrote:It kinda makes sense to tax the shit out of alcohol and cigarettes since they lead to lots of health related problems that have to be paid for later in all types of medical costs.

In California, the tobacco tax goes to highways and infrastructure, I believe.


That makes sense.

Those aching for tar fund the use of tarmac for better highways.

Even I can see the logic here.


Your joke is funny, but the majority actually goes to schools after some research.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

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How much is your cheapest 6 pack of beer in your part of the US?
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby sloopjohnc » 15 May 2018, 00:37

Dr Markus wrote:How much is your cheapest 6 pack of beer in your part of the US?


$4 to $6.

I got my supermarket's weekly circular yesterday and they were advertising 30 can packs of Budweiser for $19.99.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

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You can get a 6 pack here for 8 euro. Dutch gold or cheap polish shit.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

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Dr Markus wrote:How much is your cheapest 6 pack of beer in your part of the US?


In my part of the US it's € 2.00
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

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sloopjohnc wrote:
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Postman wrote:
sloopjohnc wrote:It kinda makes sense to tax the shit out of alcohol and cigarettes since they lead to lots of health related problems that have to be paid for later in all types of medical costs.

In California, the tobacco tax goes to highways and infrastructure, I believe.


That makes sense.

Those aching for tar fund the use of tarmac for better highways.

Even I can see the logic here.


Your joke is funny, but the majority actually goes to schools after some research.


That is good to hear, Sloop. Really good.
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