Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

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Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Toby » 23 Jan 2018, 10:29

ust 4% of the population consume almost a third of all the alcohol sold in England, according to healthcare data.

The figures emerged during a debate on a 50p minimum unit price on alcohol by a parliamentary committee on Monday.

Rosanna O’Connor, director of alcohol, drugs and tobacco at Public Health England (PHE) said: “Around 4.4% of the population are drinking just under a third of the alcohol consumed in this country. That’s around 2 million drinking just over 30% of the alcohol.”

O’Connor said the majority of the group were drinking very cheap, high-strength alcohol such as cider.

A three-litre bottle of cider containing 22.5 units of alcohol can be bought for as little as £3.60. If the 50p minimum unit price were to be introduced, the costs would jump to £11.

O’Connor said: “The result would be a significant impact on a small group of people. That’s why it’s such a targeted policy for such great health gains.”


https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... population

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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby CAN » 23 Jan 2018, 10:32

I might change my opinion, but for now: NO
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Dr Markus » 23 Jan 2018, 10:43

Whenever something helpful and needed like this is suggested, there's no hiding that some people will be affected that don't abuse alcohol. It comes down to the many outweigh the few. The good knock on affect of this in terms of health and money saving would be immense, to the person and to the government. I have to go for, i'm for it.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby The Modernist » 23 Jan 2018, 10:49

It should be reduced in price, especially wine. It's too expensive.

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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Dr Markus » 23 Jan 2018, 10:56

The Modernist wrote:It should be reduced in price, especially wine. It's too expensive.


Thought wine was cheap in general. Maybe not the top end stuff, but the decent stuff.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby The Modernist » 23 Jan 2018, 11:01

The Great Defector wrote:
The Modernist wrote:It should be reduced in price, especially wine. It's too expensive.


Thought wine was cheap in general. Maybe not the top end stuff, but the decent stuff.


It's really gone up in the last couple of years. :(

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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Dr Markus » 23 Jan 2018, 11:02

The Modernist wrote:
The Great Defector wrote:
The Modernist wrote:It should be reduced in price, especially wine. It's too expensive.


Thought wine was cheap in general. Maybe not the top end stuff, but the decent stuff.


It's really gone up in the last couple of years. :(


Unlucky one of the "few". ;)
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Pansy Puff » 23 Jan 2018, 11:20

The Modernist wrote:It should be reduced in price, especially wine. It's too expensive.

Join the Wine Society, G. Great wine at excellent prices.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Darkness_Fish » 23 Jan 2018, 12:03

No. I accept there's some problem with alcohol consumption in this country, but I do not believe this will do anything but bump up the prices of all alcohol. You're looking at a minimum of £15 for a 750ml bottle of whiskey, even if it's just Bells or some shit like that.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Dr Markus » 23 Jan 2018, 12:05

Darkness_Fish wrote:No. I accept there's some problem with alcohol consumption in this country, but I do not believe this will do anything but bump up the prices of all alcohol. You're looking at a minimum of £15 for a 750ml bottle of whiskey, even if it's just Bells or some shit like that.


I think the main target is cheep beer and alcopops. You can get 6 tins of beer over here for about 8 euro.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Darkness_Fish » 23 Jan 2018, 12:42

Yeah, the target might be alcopops, but as soon as you put a minimum price per unit, the price of everything will rise. At 50p per unit, it's £15 for supermarket own-brand filth whisky, £5 for cheapo crap wine, etc. That's going to knock the price up for all the drinkable-but-cheap stuff like Hardys and Gallo, which will knock-on the price to the respectable stuff, etc.

In the end, it's just a tax burden on everyone to tackle a problem of particular brands aimed at alcoholics. Raising the price for everyone is either going to make alcoholics even poorer or send them down the home-brew or still route, but it won't stop anyone drinking.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Dr Markus » 23 Jan 2018, 12:49

Darkness_Fish wrote:
In the end, it's just a tax burden on everyone to tackle a problem of particular brands aimed at alcoholics. Raising the price for everyone is either going to make alcoholics even poorer or send them down the home-brew or still route, but it won't stop anyone drinking.



Aye there's a very real chance of that happening. We have a culture of it over here, so trying to change 1000s of years of culture is hard to do.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Robert » 23 Jan 2018, 13:00

There is really no point in taxing it higher.

If you look at scandinavian countries, you see both the price and consumption are much higher than in the UK.

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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Dr Markus » 23 Jan 2018, 13:04

Aye we Vikings like our beer.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby The Prof » 23 Jan 2018, 16:23

Robert wrote:If you look at scandinavian countries, you see both the price and consumption are much higher than in the UK.


Not sure this map holds that to be true consumption-wise.

There does, however, seem to be a connection between climate and alcohol consumption (though that's probably skewed considerably by religion too)

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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Darkness_Fish » 23 Jan 2018, 16:28

Looks like we should be considering whatever action North Korea takes, they've tackled the problem better than their neighbours in the south.
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Wally Bingbang » 23 Jan 2018, 16:29

The Prof wrote:
Robert wrote:If you look at scandinavian countries, you see both the price and consumption are much higher than in the UK.


Not sure this map holds that to be true consumption-wise.

There does, however, seem to be a connection between climate and alcohol consumption (though that's probably skewed considerably by religion too)

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Litres per what? Day? Week? Year?
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby Minnie the Minx » 23 Jan 2018, 16:40

By the looks of that map I think K-Tel needs his pocket money sharply reduced!!
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Re: Should there be a minimum price on Alcohol?

Postby sloopjohnc » 23 Jan 2018, 16:47

Toby wrote:
ust 4% of the population consume almost a third of all the alcohol sold in England, according to healthcare data.

The figures emerged during a debate on a 50p minimum unit price on alcohol by a parliamentary committee on Monday.

Rosanna O’Connor, director of alcohol, drugs and tobacco at Public Health England (PHE) said: “Around 4.4% of the population are drinking just under a third of the alcohol consumed in this country. That’s around 2 million drinking just over 30% of the alcohol.”

O’Connor said the majority of the group were drinking very cheap, high-strength alcohol such as cider.

A three-litre bottle of cider containing 22.5 units of alcohol can be bought for as little as £3.60. If the 50p minimum unit price were to be introduced, the costs would jump to £11.

O’Connor said: “The result would be a significant impact on a small group of people. That’s why it’s such a targeted policy for such great health gains.”


https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... population


I bet the same population is buying the same percentage of fast food.