Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

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Re: Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

Postby nev harp » 22 Dec 2017, 22:56

The problem with Boyle is that he comes over as a not-fully-committed Sadowitz. On Mock The Week he was a shade darker than Gervais and his “saying the unsayable” (ooh naughty).

Jerry is the ultimate personification of the ugly bloke, physically wretched, bitter bastard and, as if he doesn’t suffer enough, fucking Scotch, poor sod. You can feel where his hatred springs from.
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Re: Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

Postby Copehead » 23 Dec 2017, 00:19

The Modernist wrote:
Toby wrote:I don't get angry with him you wretched goon.


Not taking sides here, but I love this insult. It's almost as good as 'you dirty old rotter'.


You dirty fucker, you fucking rotter.

Anyway it is the sort of abuse you expect from Tories, what happened to the kinder, gentler politics?
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Re: Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

Postby Copehead » 23 Dec 2017, 00:27

kewl klive wrote:The problem with Boyle is that he comes over as a not-fully-committed Sadowitz. On Mock The Week he was a shade darker than Gervais and his “saying the unsayable” (ooh naughty).

Jerry is the ultimate personification of the ugly bloke, physically wretched, bitter bastard and, as if he doesn’t suffer enough, fucking Scotch, poor sod. You can feel where his hatred springs from.


No one except Sadowitz is a fully committed Sadowitz, it would just be stealing his act as many others have down the years. Also Sadowitz doesn't do politics he does misanthropy and disgust at the human condition in full spectrum.

The world doesn't need another Jerry Sadowitz it needs to appreciate the one it already has.

Boyle is his own man, and his articles in the Guardian, contrary to the reports of people I doubt even understood them, were some of the finest, funniest political commentaries it has been my privilege to read. They aren't party political but come from a distinctly left of center view point that is typically Scottish. Using humour to spike political pomposity and hackery works particularly well these days when the whole system seems to have descended into farce and to be run by lightweights, grotesques and self serving scum bags.

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Re: Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

Postby The Modernist » 23 Dec 2017, 00:39

kewl klive wrote:The problem with Boyle is that he comes over as a not-fully-committed Sadowitz. On Mock The Week he was a shade darker than Gervais and his “saying the unsayable” (ooh naughty).

Jerry is the ultimate personification of the ugly bloke, physically wretched, bitter bastard and, as if he doesn’t suffer enough, fucking Scotch, poor sod. You can feel where his hatred springs from.


He was alright in the Shaman video.

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Re: Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

Postby The Modernist » 23 Dec 2017, 00:40

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The Modernist wrote:
Toby wrote:I don't get angry with him you wretched goon.


Not taking sides here, but I love this insult. It's almost as good as 'you dirty old rotter'.


You dirty fucker, you fucking rotter


Keep going chief. You've got another five seconds.

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Re: Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

Postby German Dave » 23 Dec 2017, 00:44

Toby wrote:I don't get angry with him you wretched goon.

I've seen him live a number of times. I just find the positioning of his politics a bit dull.


I know what you mean. I love it when a comedian positions his politics in an exciting way.
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Re: Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

Postby German Dave » 23 Dec 2017, 00:54

Goat Boy wrote:His columns are just regurgitated 3rd rate Chomskyisms.

Adolescent stuff.


I'm no massive fan of FB but the few columns of his that I've read have been incandescently righteous and entertaining. To describe it as adolescent would be just daft.
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Re: Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

Postby The Modernist » 23 Dec 2017, 00:58

Politics and comedy don't really mix in any kind of universal way. There's plenty of right wing guys I've found very funny, but not because they're right wing. Peter Cook, who was no left winger, springs to mind. But as I soon as the politics become overt then you're preaching to the converted. So I can laugh along with a left wing comedian because I'm left wing myself; it's playing to my values.

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Re: Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

Postby German Dave » 23 Dec 2017, 01:09

The Modernist wrote:
Toby wrote:I don't get angry with him you wretched goon.


Not taking sides here, but I love this insult. It's almost as good as 'you dirty old rotter'.


The missing comma totally ruined it for me. :(
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Re: Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

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The Modernist wrote:Politics and comedy don't really mix in any kind of universal way. There's plenty of right wing guys I've found very funny, but not because they're right wing. Peter Cook, who was no left winger, springs to mind. But as I soon as the politics become overt then you're preaching to the converted. So I can laugh along with a left wing comedian because I'm left wing myself; it's playing to my values.


I've never really thought about what Peter Cook's politics were; I've always assumed he was an Upper Middle class Anarchist.

Private Eye has always been a bit of a funny mix being anti-establishment yet run my scions of the establishment. And the establishment covers anything from Brenda and Brian to Northern Councils which are one part states with all the problems of graft and complacency that that brings as far as they are concerned.

I can't think of anyone I find funny who is/was overtly right wing in any way, either comedians don't broadcast it or right wing people lack something inherent for humour which seems wildly unlikely.

I can imagine there are plenty of right of center comedians, they just have the sense to keep quite about it as their audience is going to predominantly center/left wing unless they want to go out and start telling Jokes about Paddies and Pakis in home counties pubs. There are few comedians these days who seem to gleefully punch down like the comedians of my youth did. Those guys seemed pretty right wing so perhaps it is the audience that decides what is funny and that audience changed from being beered up men in clubs to lefty wankers sometime in the 80s.

Isn't Milton Jones supposedly quietly moderately Conservative? I'm sure there must be happily careerist comedians who tick the Tory box in the privacy of the polling station booth and make jokes about what you find in kitchen draws, what their children do and taking the car to the mechanics. But I doubt many of them will be appearing on a Conservative Party platform any time soon if they want Jocelyn and India to stay on at that nice prep school.
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Re: Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

Postby The Modernist » 23 Dec 2017, 02:06

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I've never really thought about what Peter Cook's politics were; I've always assumed he was an Upper Middle class Anarchist.


I think that's probably a good summation. He took great glee in taking the piss out of upper class types that he grew up with, because he saw their ridiculousness. And he loved exposing that, but he had no interest in replacing them. I suspect his "conservatism", such as it was, was more about loyalty to people he'd grown up with socially.
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Private Eye has always been a bit of a funny mix being anti-establishment yet run my scions of the establishment. And the establishment covers anything from Brenda and Brian to Northern Councils which are one part states with all the problems of graft and complacency that that brings as far as they are concerned..


I've always thought Private Eye as being a quite right wing thing. That didn't stop me from enjoying it or laughing at it when I read it. But it never seemed an inclusive thing. They were the epitome of an 'Oxbridge elite' weren't they? I'd see them quite a lot in The Coach and Horses' but it never struck me, even in my most pissed and delusional moments, that I could wander up to them and say ' I'm a funny guy, give me a job opening your mail'. The class thing was always very apparent with those types, whether they voted Labour or Conservative.

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Re: Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

Postby The Modernist » 23 Dec 2017, 02:08

Copehead wrote:I can't think of anyone I find funny who is/was overtly right wing in any way,


I've seen you converse with Yomp.

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Re: Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

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The Modernist wrote:
Copehead wrote:I can't think of anyone I find funny who is/was overtly right wing in any way,


I've seen you converse with Yomp.


Mike is quite left wing, he just hasn't come to terms with it.

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Re: Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

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The Modernist wrote:
Copehead wrote:
I've never really thought about what Peter Cook's politics were; I've always assumed he was an Upper Middle class Anarchist.


I think that's probably a good summation. He took great glee in taking the piss out of upper class types that he grew up with, because he saw their ridiculousness. And he loved exposing that, but he had no interest in replacing them. I suspect his "conservatism", such as it was, was more about loyalty to people he'd grown up with socially.
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Private Eye has always been a bit of a funny mix being anti-establishment yet run my scions of the establishment. And the establishment covers anything from Brenda and Brian to Northern Councils which are one part states with all the problems of graft and complacency that that brings as far as they are concerned..


I've always thought Private Eye as being a quite right wing thing. That didn't stop me from enjoying it or laughing at it when I read it. But it never seemed an inclusive thing. They were the epitome of an 'Oxbridge elite' weren't they? I'd see them quite a lot in The Coach and Horses' but it never struck me, even in my most pissed and delusional moments, that I could wander up to them and say ' I'm a funny guy, give me a job opening your mail'. The class thing was always very apparent with those types, whether they voted Labour or Conservative.


They are a bit radical, a bit old school Liberal a bit conservative. Whiggish perhaps describes them best, but you are right regardless of their party politics they are of their class, minor public school upper middle classes.

That informs their derision of the Royal family - German arrivistes - as much as their derision of the Labour Party - uppity plebs.

But I am pretty sure they wouldn't give any government an easy time, in as much as they a wreckers not builders. But some of the journalism in the back of the paper looking into corruption in high places is important even if it seems to be ignored most of the time. The gossip in the front is often funny and interesting, the attempted humour in between is often a bit leaden and smacks of the School Press they probably all cut their teeth on lampooning Masters.

The only thing I seriously dislike is their absolute rejection of Levenson, I can see why they reject it I just feel they are fundamentally wrong about it.
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Postby The Modernist » 23 Dec 2017, 03:55

I'd see them in the pub and they just looked like fat middle aged fuckers with beards. I didn't like them at all.

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Copehead wrote:
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Copehead wrote:I can't think of anyone I find funny who is/was overtly right wing in any way,


I've seen you converse with Yomp.


Mike is quite left wing, he just hasn't come to terms with it.

It is sad to be still in the closet when you are pushing 60, even sadder when you don't actually realize you are in the closet :)


He's socially liberal, but economically conservative. The fucker! :twisted:

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The Modernist wrote: fat middle aged fuckers with beards.


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German Dave wrote:
Toby wrote:I don't get angry with him you wretched goon.

I've seen him live a number of times. I just find the positioning of his politics a bit dull.


I know what you mean. I love it when a comedian positions his politics in an exciting way.


Oh the Tories! They're bad! Boo!

Or, Labour! They're horrible socialists! (Not that there are many funny right wing comedians - I'll give you that)

It's a bit sixth form in all honesty. I mean, I laughed out loud when I saw Lee do his UKIP sketch because his delivery is superb, but it's not particularly nuanced in any meaningful way.

The best satirists of government are usually the Parliamentary diarists - the late Frank Johnson was untouchable in his day.

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Toby wrote:
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Toby wrote:I don't get angry with him you wretched goon.

I've seen him live a number of times. I just find the positioning of his politics a bit dull.


I know what you mean. I love it when a comedian positions his politics in an exciting way.


Oh the Tories! They're bad! Boo!

Or, Labour! They're horrible socialists! (Not that there are many funny right wing comedians - I'll give you that)

It's a bit sixth form in all honesty. I mean, I laughed out loud when I saw Lee do his UKIP sketch because his delivery is superb, but it's not particularly nuanced in any meaningful way.

The best satirists of government are usually the Parliamentary diarists - the late Frank Johnson was untouchable in his day.


I think you're missing the point. The subtlety of Lee is in the way he explores the form, subverting expectations whilst switching constantly between intellectual superiority and small-minded churlishness.
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Re: Who Is Your Favourite Comedian At The Minute?

Postby never/ever » 23 Dec 2017, 09:43

Yes but is it funny?
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