Monarchy the institution. Yes or no?

[Thang-y]

ooooh but ANACHRONISM

oooohhh WASTE OF TAXPAYERS MONEY

ooooh ABOLISH THE LOT THEY ARE FUCKING PARASITES mock anger mock anger mock anger

You've been hanging around playgrounds too long.

[KeithPratt]

ooooh but ANACHRONISM

oooohhh WASTE OF TAXPAYERS MONEY

ooooh ABOLISH THE LOT THEY ARE FUCKING PARASITES mock anger mock anger mock anger

[KeithPratt]

It's all a bit sixth form really isn't it?

[Diamond Dog]

You've been hanging around playgrounds too long.

[never/ever]

If the monarchy was gone, would that put an end to The Sun, the Daily Mail and all those other garbage publications feeding off them?
It's a downright industry!

[The Modernist]

The idea that wanting to dismantle an expensive and outdated symbol of an anachronistic class system is intrinsically jejune and immature is one view I suppose...the kind of view you put forward because you don't have a more substantial one.

[KeithPratt]

I think it's a case of "be careful of what you wish for" with something like this.

History is full of unintended consequences through utopian desires, and in the 20th century in particular, there are no examples I can think of that haven't been disastrous.

All the western european countries that got rid of their monarchs have suffered tyrants, from Napoleon to Franco. In the latter, they went back to having a King. Greece and Portugal can be added to that list as well.

Countries like Norway, Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands all have constitutional monarchies, just like we do.

Would Britain be open to a tyrant if we got rid of the Monarchy? It's hard to say, but the evidence in Europe (admittedly from 1789 to 1975) isn't great. It may have happened in the 30s.

At the time of QEII's accession in 1952, these were fresh in the memory and some were still in power.

The desire to get rid of this institution is totally understandable, but I think we ignore the delicate interplay between the various institutions that make up our political process at our peril.

[The Modernist]

But your examples aren't from modern democracies. I don't think you can use something from 18th or 19th centuries as being particularly relevant to what is likely to happen today.

[KeithPratt]

Given the inclination to populist politics that is emerging across Europe, I think now is not the time to be endangering the process in our country that helps us counter this sort of thing.

But as I've said previously, I do believe that if there was a strident Republican movement in this country that became the majority view, then the Monarchy would probably come to an end. I don't think it would fight its corner.

The Royal Family has transformed as an institution since QEII came to the throne. We're much closer now to the Spanish form, where there is essentially just the King in the public eye. At the moment it's the Queen, Charles and William, with H. Others such as Edward, Andrew and Anne for example are conspicuous by their absence compared to say, 30 years ago.

[The Modernist]

Given the inclination to populist politics that is emerging across Europe, I think now is not the time to be endangering the process in our country that helps us counter this sort of thing.
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For me that's a non sequitur. I can't see how a constitutional monarchy has any effect on the rise or fall of far right parties.

[BARON CORNY DOG]

You jerkoffs are already drinking coffee from paper cups and celebrating American Halloween and Black Friday. Your children go to Prom and your language has mostly surrendered to our ineluctable charms. After the Queen croaks and you start tutting about Turkeys voting for Thanksgiving, our conquest will be complete, but we’ll insist that you retain The Royal Family Sponsored by Ralph Lauren and Starbucks. Apart from Curry, Soccer, and Moaning, there isn’t much left!

[Diamond Dog]

Given the inclination to populist politics that is emerging across Europe, I think now is not the time to be endangering the process in our country that helps us counter this sort of thing.
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For me that's a non sequitur. I can't see how a constitutional monarchy has any effect on the rise or fall of far right parties.

It doesn't.

But it's very typical of the kind of Monarchist reasoning to support the institution.

[Thang-y]

You jerkoffs are already drinking coffee from paper cups and celebrating American Halloween and Black Friday. Your children go to Prom and your language has mostly surrendered to our ineluctable charms. After the Queen croaks and you start tutting about Turkeys voting for Thanksgiving, our conquest will be complete, but we’ll insist that you retain The Royal Family Sponsored by Ralph Lauren and Starbucks. Apart from Curry, Soccer, and Moaning, there isn’t much left!

That's right guv'nah. Gawd bless 'er.

[Goat Boy]

And in other news today: Baron tips man out of wheelchair

[The Prof]

You jerkoffs are already drinking coffee from paper cups and celebrating American Halloween and Black Friday. Your children go to Prom and your language has mostly surrendered to our ineluctable charms. After the Queen croaks and you start tutting about Turkeys voting for Thanksgiving, our conquest will be complete, but we’ll insist that you retain The Royal Family Sponsored by Ralph Lauren and Starbucks. Apart from Curry, Soccer, and Moaning, there isn’t much left!

Curry *FOOTBALL* and moaning made this country great!

[BARON CORNY DOG]

And in other news today: Baron tips man out of wheelchair

Baron, Duke of Shipley, if you please.

[clive gash]

Well, that’s that sorted.

Capital punishment next?

[Dr Markus]

*hehehe* the results look like a penis.

[Diamond Dog]

Well, that’s that sorted.

Capital punishment next?

For you?

Even I'd vote for it.

[clive gash]

Debate.