35 years ago today...

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby The Modernist » 09 Nov 2017, 11:23

Toby wrote:It reminded me that Mike was a total dick. I know his character has to be offset against the anarchism of Rik and Viv, but god, there's an argument for worst sitcom character ever. Dreadful actor too.


He was easily the weakest of the four. Part of the problem was that while the other three stereotypes - a punk, a hippie, a pretentious wannabee radical - were easily recognisable as student types of the time, Mike's character- a kind of cockney spiv -wasn't really. His presence seemed incongruous. He was definitely less well defined than the rest. The other problem was the actor playing him brought nothing to the table; choosing to underplay it to the point where he just got overshadowed by the others. Maybe the character could have worked had it been played with the kind of lary, in your face attitude Harry Enfield gave Loadsamoney.

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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby *fun and open field* » 09 Nov 2017, 11:30

Anyway I'd recommend you watch the whole lot again, if you have time. I did, earlier this year, and really enjoyed it all. Much more than I expected to, actually (I wasn't exactly a huge fan at the time, altho' sometimes it seemed it was all we talked about at school!).

It might take a bit of time to get used to, but it's interesting how you can actually warm to these characters, as unlikeable as they are. And I do think the 'dated' thing is overstated (the odd mention of Thatcher/nuclear war aside) - it's more that it's just not like most other comedies.
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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby never/ever » 09 Nov 2017, 11:35

I think Mike juxtaposed rather well with the loose character of the three others- it did baffle me how he would be able to get his way via blackmail and all sorts of subterfuge and yet still hung out with a bunch of losers in a total dump.
Still rate him highly just for nailing his legs to the kitchen table....

TYO was another great example of classic character humour, playing off the various traits of each of them the maximum effect. And some of the lines! 'Open up, it's the pigs....'

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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby The Great Defector » 09 Nov 2017, 11:40

It's seriously of it's time.
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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby The Modernist » 09 Nov 2017, 12:34

Carla Breakthrough-Lark wrote:Anyway I'd recommend you watch the whole lot again, if you have time. I did, earlier this year, and really enjoyed it all. Much more than I expected to, actually (I wasn't exactly a huge fan at the time, altho' sometimes it seemed it was all we talked about at school!).

It might take a bit of time to get used to, but it's interesting how you can actually warm to these characters, as unlikeable as they are. And I do think the 'dated' thing is overstated (the odd mention of Thatcher/nuclear war aside) - it's more that it's just not like most other comedies.


It strikes me that one of the reasons it's dated is that the writing wasn't that strong -very broad brush and a bit obvious. At the time, the anarchic energy of the performances tended to override everything, but as time makes that less groundbreaking, other, weaker, aspects of the show become more apparent.
Still I'll give an episode a go later ( although there's no way I'm watching all 20 episodes again!) and see what I think.

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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby *fun and open field* » 09 Nov 2017, 12:55

The writing might not have been that strong and the characters were little more than caricatures, yeah. I don't necessarily look for those things in the comedy I like, I suppose.

Nevertheless the performances, the ideas, the manic nature of the thing all keep it kicking along with the kind of colour and life you rarely see in comedy - and I don't think we've seen since.

If you want to call something 'dated' that these clowns were involved in, I suggest you watch one of those dreadful Comic Strip Presents... episodes. One or two still raise a smile (was it Mr. Jolly Lives Next Door?) but mainly they're actually quite painful to watch.
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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby Goat Boy » 09 Nov 2017, 12:59

When was the last time the Beeb repeated it?

I don't recall it being on telly since I was a kid
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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby The Great Defector » 09 Nov 2017, 13:03

It's on Dave or comedy central all the time.
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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby Goat Boy » 09 Nov 2017, 13:05

Oh I don't watch that shite.

I just don't recall it ever being on after the late 80s
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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby The Great Defector » 09 Nov 2017, 13:11

We're about the same age, I think, I would have been about 8 or 9. I barely remember yesterday, nevermind when I was 8 or 9.
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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby Darkness_Fish » 09 Nov 2017, 13:18

I remember thinking it was awesome, a complete breath of fresh air, and just completely different to every other TV comedy. But I was only 7 at the time, so I can't believe I would've watched it at that point. It doesn't make much sense to me.
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Re: 35 years ago today...

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The Great Defector wrote:We're about the same age, I think, I would have been about 8 or 9. I barely remember yesterday, nevermind when I was 8 or 9.


A mate had it but that was on VHS. I think they were taped off the telly.
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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby The Great Defector » 09 Nov 2017, 13:23

Goat Boy wrote:
The Great Defector wrote:We're about the same age, I think, I would have been about 8 or 9. I barely remember yesterday, nevermind when I was 8 or 9.


A mate had it but that was on VHS. I think they were taped off the telly.


They had a video recorder? in the late 80's? posh bastards.
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Re: 35 years ago today...

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The Great Defector wrote:We're about the same age, I think, I would have been about 8 or 9. I barely remember yesterday, nevermind when I was 8 or 9.


A mate had it but that was on VHS. I think they were taped off the telly.


They had a video recorder? in the late 80's? posh bastards.


By the late 80s they were pretty common, no?

Perhaps not in Ireland obviously being, er, Ireland ;)
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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby Toby » 09 Nov 2017, 13:29

We didn't have a video recorder until 1992.

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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby Goat Boy » 09 Nov 2017, 13:34

Christ
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Goat Boy wrote:
By the late 80s they were pretty common, no?

Perhaps not in Ireland obviously being, er, Ireland ;)



Well actually....................yeah :(
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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby The Great Defector » 09 Nov 2017, 13:35

Toby wrote:We didn't have a video recorder until 1992.


Think we were later, and both my parents had good jobs at the time, Garda and Nurse. Guess they were just tight.
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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby Toby » 09 Nov 2017, 13:42

Goat Boy wrote:Christ


Yep, resolutely lower middle class.

I think having a Sky subscription has replaced the Video as the home entertainment marker of aspiration nowadays. They were really expensive (£300+) back then.

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Re: 35 years ago today...

Postby Goat Boy » 09 Nov 2017, 13:51

They would be a few hundred probably

Maybe I just nagged my folks long enough so they coffed up
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