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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Sneelock » 04 Nov 2017, 20:17

I characterized Brazile’s excerpt from her book as “letting herself off the hook”
It’s a high profile book and I thought it would maybe get people talking. It’s the only thread I’ve started lately to go more than a couple pages so I was partly right.

I’ve read The Rude Pundit and others telling me why they think I am full of shit for being concerned with Brazile’s excerpt. Some of them manage to be persuasive, some are entertaining. Some manage both.

I’d like to see some changes at the DNC because they have had a series of controversies that i think reflect poorly on their leadership abilities. I’m TRYING to see it from a different point of view - honestly. Just because I haven’t got there yet doesnt’ mean I’m dishonest or stupid. It just means I have a different opinion.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 04 Nov 2017, 20:30

I haven’t called you dishonest or stupid. I even agree with you that the DNC needs changes. I’m just trying to work out what the proper perspective is on this story.

I think the fact that it’s been presented as proof of “rigging” the election is really damaging - a self-inflicted wound that hurts us all.

I AM completely open to the idea that the influence it gave Clinton was improper. But it’s a long walk from “improper agreement” to “rigged.”
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Jimbo » 04 Nov 2017, 20:57

Davey, I don't hate your idea of stressing an infrastructure jobs program over my extreme makeover plan. That is kind of like what Trump promised. And Bernie's message wasn't that far off from yours. He just added free college and single payer to his platform. You have one he had three biggies. I'd have them literally sing Kumbaya before each session to remind them of the socialist paradise they'd promised us. I'll take infrastructure.

I don't heed Joy Reid because I have been trained to dislike her by Jimmy Dore because she and Rachael Maddow supposedly were the loudest Russia Russia Russia voices. It's not a bad thing if Reid is writing good words today but blaming Russia as vociferously as they have been - even if - has been a huge waste of Democratic voters political currency. All my old faves, Rachael, Mike Malloy, Keith Olbermann, Stephanie Miller lost me as a listener pushing hard on this dumb issue. Even if -- there were bigger fish, within the US borders to fry. It was a job for the FBI not congress people to waste so much time. Even if - it was more clear they were looking for an excuse for their loss rather than protecting the US from a foreign enemy. I hope they somehow get off this McCarthy-istic tack and back to a sensible Democratic American people betterment program.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Sneelock » 04 Nov 2017, 21:08

Sneelock wrote:I’d like to see some changes at the DNC because they have had a series of controversies that i think reflect poorly on their leadership abilities.


Also, they seem to have almost entirely lost the ability to raise money. This is a really bad problem all by itself. Factor in Brazile’s assertions how broke they are & that the DNC had a special arrangement with Hillary for America - what’s to keep the same money hole from being filled again under similar conditions?

Sure, Hillary had a lot of cachet with the DNC and probably deserved it. But, what if the money came from Citizens for Dewayne “the Rock” Johnson? :lol: i’d like to believe there were measures in place to keep the primary a real referendum on registered voters - not overreflecting moneyed interests.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 04 Nov 2017, 21:39

I’ll leave you with this Snee...

We ran an outsider. He won. One of the negative unintended consequences of having an outsider win was that he put more effort into his own OFA organization than he did the DNC.

Now some folks feel bad that the last outsider lost. Their mad because an insider had to infuse it with cash and that gave her some leverage. So they want more outsiders.who don’t care about the DNC. Fine - but then what happens to all of the local races?

If I’ve come off as kind of a structuralist pro-status quo guy, it’s because I value structures. I don’t always buy the idea that those who think they can tear them down and build something better always can.

Jimbo - I don’t think Bernie’s agenda was ever a bad agenda. Just one that wasn’t going to get through the congress he would have had. There’s an argument for aspirational goals, but there’s also an argument for not promising what you know you can’t achieve. A healthy balance between those two poles is what we need now.

Still think you’re nuts on Russia...but Na Zdorovie
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Sneelock » 05 Nov 2017, 19:44

In a matter of days Donna Brazile has gone from being a mainstream corporate Democrat to being excoriated as a heretic puppet of Putin.

I do NOT think a careful reading of the document discredits her assertions. In fact, I think it is being mischaraterized to make it seem like a slam dunk discrediting her claims. I don’t really think it does. I think it’s more like Dan Rather’ s typewriter. They are emphasizing one thing in order to discredit the whole thing.

The main thing I think we can take away from this is if you fuck with the bull - you get the horns.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Sneelock » 05 Nov 2017, 20:01

Maybe she deserves the horns. I never much liked her myself well before she crossed the Red Sea to help the Hillary campaign. I also question her motives - why would she not get sick to the stomach from the one thing and have a problem with the other?

Who knows? Maybe she seeks King Bernard’s approval, maybe she just doesn’t like Hillary Clinton. Whatever her reasons I think Clinton supporters are taking the very TRUMP-ian approach of belittling HER in order to draw attention from her claims.

Whatever the reasons, I think the DNC needs to win back some trust. It’s one thing to lose Susan Sarandon, when you’re losing mainstream corporate Democrats, I think it’s time to rethink your strategy.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Jimbo » 06 Nov 2017, 03:12

Sneelock wrote:I think it’s time to rethink your strategy.


Bigly.

Even if they discredit Brazile's document, the emails still show the DNC colluded against Bernie.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/24/politics/ ... index.html
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Jimbo » 09 Nov 2017, 11:09

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Okay, if I reset my thinking and accept that the Brazile bombshell was a dud...


Fuck that! I'm re-resetting my mind and thinking again what cheats and sore losers HRC supporters are, especially their lackeys in the mainstream media who said Brazile's book was a fraud, and there were a lot! Having seen Jimmy Dore who cited an Intercept article (Davey's faves :roll: ) I read the article for myself and sure as shit when the famous document said that the terms applied only to the general election there was an important section of the doc that didn't. It applied only to the primary and only to HRC and it involved a lot of stuff which helped rig the primary for HRC. So when you attack Parry and CN it will be easier than ever to ignore your criticisms. My guys are telling the truth. WAPO, NBC and AP, they're fucking liars and not to be trusted to tell the weather or traffic.


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Above is just one but The Intercept article is about four instances where they catch out the press shilling for Hillary and against Brazile.

https://theintercept.com/2017/11/05/fou ... are-false/
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Jimbo » 09 Nov 2017, 17:30

Interesting debate over at Sam Sedar between Tim Black and Sam. Both lefties, Tim was more idealistic and Sam filled the role of our pragmatic and process-aware Davey here. Sam asked if it was worth bringing up Russia if it would result in winning three extra Democratic house seats. Davey?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyXhdzgGOSc&t=2s
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Sneelock » 09 Nov 2017, 17:39

I don't think that shit matters right now. Look at Tuesday. the Democratic victories are across the board. Rejecting TRUMP is the main political power in the party right now IMO. people keep saying we have to do more than diss TRUMP and we do but hating TRUMP is getting people out to vote. I think the main job now is clearly articulating what they are voting for & against.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 09 Nov 2017, 20:53

Jimbo wrote:Interesting debate over at Sam Sedar between Tim Black and Sam. Both lefties, Tim was more idealistic and Sam filled the role of our pragmatic and process-aware Davey here. Sam asked if it was worth bringing up Russia if it would result in winning three extra Democratic house seats. Davey?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyXhdzgGOSc&t=2s


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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Sneelock » 09 Nov 2017, 22:45

Davey the Fat Boy in Nextdoorland wrote:I’m retiring from nextdoorland.


:lol: will there be a party? should we pitch in and buy you a watch?
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby The Great Defector » 10 Nov 2017, 12:40

Can Hilary stop doing comedy skits. Seen her on the seth Meyers show last night (Wish Meyers was still head writer at SNL) and not even he could make her funny.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Sneelock » 10 Nov 2017, 16:27

I think it means she’s still running for President.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby sloopjohnc » 10 Nov 2017, 17:07

Sneelock wrote:I think it means she’s still running for President.


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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

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If it looks like a conspiracy but the MSM and pols tell you it is a legit case, it's a conspiracy. Admit it, the conspiracy theories always turn out to be right in time. If you are offered as proof a document loaded with black marks hiding names, places and "methods and sources" It's a lying document. Day by day the Russia narrative is crumbling and so HRC will one day very soon have only herself- and the MSM and the DNC and Hillary cultists - to blame for her loss to Trump.

And now this.

UK prosecutors admit destroying key emails in Julian Assange case
Correspondence between CPS and its Swedish counterparts about WikiLeaks founder deleted after lawyer retired in 2014

The Crown Prosecution Service is facing embarrassment after admitting it destroyed key emails relating to the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who is holed up in Ecuador’s London embassy fighting extradition.

Email exchanges between the CPS and its Swedish counterparts over the high-profile case were deleted after the lawyer at the UK end retired in 2014 … Assange ... was wanted by Sweden as part of a preliminary investigation into rape allegations. Sweden dropped the investigation in May.


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... are_btn_tw
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

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Here's a guy, a genuine hero of the left, a whistleblower of the CIA torture program disinvited from speaking on an EU panel by a Bernie Sanders surrogate who doesn't want to to be tainted by a someone who's appeared in Russian media. America, catch a grip, man!
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby bobzilla77 » 11 Nov 2017, 00:05

Admit it, the conspiracy theories always turn out to be right in time.


So those people who are getting harrassed for surviving mass hooting tragedies actually ARE fake actors who are participants in a government scheme to take guns away? That's a relief. I was starting to lose faith in humanity there for a minute.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

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DNC Fraud Against Sanders, Robert Mueller & BCCI
Posted on 11/01/2017 | 7 Comments

In late September Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller assembled his team of sixteen veteran prosecutors to delve into alleged Russian involvement in the 2016 US Presidential election, as well as collusion between the Trump camp and the Russian government of Vladimir Putin.

The probe began on shaky ground, after Seymour Hirsch, other investigative journalists, numerous ex-CIA officials and the Wikileaks’ release of Vault Seven; all pointed their fingers towards CIA//NSA involvement in not only the hacking of the DNC computers, but possibly in the murder of Seth Rich – geek guardian of the DNC database...


https://hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com ... /#comments
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