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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Sneelock » 04 Nov 2017, 06:24

Thanks for the link, Jimbo.
August of 2015! Nearly a year before the convention!

I think it’s startling.
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Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 04 Nov 2017, 12:45

Oh no! There are politics in our politics!
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Postby Sneelock » 04 Nov 2017, 12:54

Gee, I wonder why so many people hate them?
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Postby Sneelock » 04 Nov 2017, 12:56

I know! Because they are irrational and unrealistic! That MUST be it.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 04 Nov 2017, 13:23

I guess the question is, what other politics are they comparing them to?

Politics has ALWAYS been a clusterfuck.
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Postby Sneelock » 04 Nov 2017, 13:33

I’m with Clusterfuck.
Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 04 Nov 2017, 13:45

Hey...I’m in here discussing it. I’m all in for examining the implications. But let’s start out on planet earth.

There’s no such thing as party politics without the unseemly business of gathering and consolidating institutional party support. Start with that premise and then we can pretend to have the vapors less that there is gambling in Casablanca.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 04 Nov 2017, 14:05

https://wonkette.com/625282/elizabeth-w ... -right-now

So far, this take is the closest to my own on this subject (though I don’t LOVE Elizabeth Warren as unconditionally).
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Postby Sneelock » 04 Nov 2017, 14:26

Somebody agrees with Davey.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Jimbo » 04 Nov 2017, 15:25

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:https://wonkette.com/625282/elizabeth-warren-we-love-you-so-fucking-much-you-are-so-fucking-wrong-right-now

So far, this take is the closest to my own on this subject (though I don’t LOVE Elizabeth Warren as unconditionally).


Okay, if I reset my thinking and accept that the Brazille bombshell was a dud the Dem leadership will still suck. The sentiment of desperation the article made clear is convincing but If we want to defeat Trump and Republicans throughout the country the Dems will still need to head a lot lefter and promise the Bernie things (and the things that Trump promised like better relations with Russia) in order to to win back labor and all those third party wanters they turned off. Calling Queer Eye! A makeover is needed cuz if they run the same suits and haircuts they will lose again.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 04 Nov 2017, 16:52

Jimbo,

I basically agree that the party needs a rebrand. What I don’t agree with is that “getting lefter” is the magic bullet.

I think there are some issues where we should pull to the left and others where we shouldn’t. What we really need is a single unifying issue that defines us.

I would focus on a sweeping national infrastructure jobs program.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 04 Nov 2017, 17:07

Another take that I heartily agree with.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/po ... azile-dnc/

This quote in particular hits home - and pretty much sums up my overall political feelings about this moment we’re in:

I honestly believe that the Democratic Party does not yet appreciate the fact that it is the only viable political vehicle capable of resisting the existential threat that is Trumpism, nor does it realize that time is growing very short. At the moment, it can’t get out of its own way and the clock is ticking ever louder.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Sneelock » 04 Nov 2017, 18:18

Think what you want. I think they still have a bowl of shit to eat for getting us in this TRUMP mess in the first place. When Jeb faltered and Rubio choked the DNC memos show the leadership was ecstatic. They WANTED to run against TRUMP. We know how this story ends.

ANY registered Democrat knows the whole “we have to save the country from..” spiel because our email boxes brim with them - asking for money - seemingly every goddam day.

I needed to dig deeply to save America from Newt & then Dubya, then the Tea Party & now THE GUY THEY WERE HOPING WOULD WIN THE NOMINATION BECAUSE HE COULDNT POSSIBLY WIN.

I think when established insiders like Donna Brazile start saying the DNC IS Fucked up - it is time, at the very least, for them to prove that it isn’t.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Sneelock » 04 Nov 2017, 18:54

By the way, I AM keeping an open mind about this. Frankly, I think Joy Reid’s Twitter defense of the DNC & “Hillary for America” is much better reasoned & well expressed than some of the hysterical stuff Davey linked (the earlier Twitter & blog stuff - not the Esquire article)

Good writers try to reason people over to their point of view. People like Davey and me take OUR point of view and pretty much bang people over the head with it.

It’s the only exercise I get.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 04 Nov 2017, 19:13

I like Reid’s take best too. But I hadn’t read it yet when I posted the other pieces.

There aren’t many useful articles to point to. Mostly breathless shit like the one you opened this thread with.

I’m intrigued by the big bowl of shit you want to see the DNC eat. What would that look like? You want everyone fired? You want them to wear sandwich boards?
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Sneelock » 04 Nov 2017, 19:17

I KNOW you know the answer to this one.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby toomanyhatz » 04 Nov 2017, 19:18

Here's the thing - I believe there WAS a shared goal here of BEATING DOWN THE DEMON. Had it worked, I wouldn't have cared so much how it happened as long as nobody was killed and no laws were broken (which at least as of now seems to be the case). Since it didn't work, everyone else is too busy deciding who to blame rather than concentrating on WHAT THE HELL WE DO NOW.

The idea that Bernie could only have even as much power as he does coming via the Democratic party proves that the 2-party system is pretty well entrenched. And by all means we need to work on that - later. Meanwhile the whole damn country's in triage. First things first.
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 04 Nov 2017, 19:26

Sneelock wrote:I KNOW you know the answer to this one.
The first step to solving a problem is.....


I don’t know what problem you want me to admit to.

Look - if you liked Reid’s twitter stream so much, then I’m not the first person to challenge the myth of the all-powerful DNC. They exist to coordinate different campaigns. Their most important function is allocating resources to local races.

So what exactly is the big deal here? We had a primary. It’s over. You could staff the DNC with the editorial team at Common Dreams and it wouldn’t pull the party an inch to the left.

So what the fuck is this about?
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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Sneelock » 04 Nov 2017, 19:31

Attention gaggle of readers and people who are grazing but don’t really give a fuck.
Davey the Fat Boy is absolutely right about everything he says and everybody else is absolutely wrong.
I’m sure most of you figured that out already - me, I’m a little slow.

Oh, the hubris of me to try to express opinions contrary to his.

It won’t happen again!

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Re: “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC”

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 04 Nov 2017, 20:15

You know Snee...this is an interesting tactic you use. You’ve used it over and over again...and because you are such a genial guy, I never say out loud what an asshole it makes you look like. But now I will.

Asshole.

Since when does it hamper your ability to express your opinion for me to challenge it? You certainly don’t hold back from publicly disagreeing with me. I don’t treat it like a character flaw. I either respond or let it go.

If I was interested in always being right, I wouldn’t even get into these discussions. The whole point of having them is putting ideas to the stress test. I respect the people here, so I put my ideas out for scrutiny. You don’t like my style? Fine. I don’t like yours. I think you are a decent enough guy from all I can tell - but you are also kind of a controlling passive-aggressive asshole, and I’m not really all that interested in your ongoing critique of me (some of your least insightful work, btw).

Happy to discuss the subject at hand. But fuck you with the sharp tip of your little cartoon doggy spacesuit helmet if you are going to keep pulling this shit. You are just another fat asshole on the internet like the rest of us. No matter how much you try to craft yourself into some kind of phony internet persona.
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