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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby Goat Boy » 30 Oct 2017, 22:35

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Goat Boy wrote:They didn't fuck about, did they?

I wonder if they know more than we do.


More that it's an easy visible gesture for them to make I suspect. I doubt they'll be cancelling every film Miramax produced for example.


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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby zoomboogity » 30 Oct 2017, 22:36

sloopjohnc wrote:I read that his dumb publicist told him to put it out on Sunday evening.

When everyone and his brother is on Twitter.


A lot of politicians still make that same mistake of thinking in terms of "news cycles" - release your bad news over the weekend, and by Monday it's forgotten. These old-guard types aren't getting the hang of this whole Internet thing, are they? Oh well, I imagine Spacey's publicist is looking for a new gig now. He better get on it quick, those Craigslist ads won't write themselves!
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby sloopjohnc » 30 Oct 2017, 22:36

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He could've said he didn't remember and left being gay out of the statement.


So it would have been a better statement if he'd lied..? :?


Just not combined them. Most people already knew or thought they knew. I think that's what Eichner was getting at. He singlehandedly set back Gay rights. Or could potentially.


This new Washington Post article gets at what I was talking about. . .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... e50e643049
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby Diamond Dog » 31 Oct 2017, 05:06

It seems a lot of the gay community are unhappy with Spacey conflating the two separate issues :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41802060

"Deflecting" and "Manipulative" sums it up.
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby Copehead » 31 Oct 2017, 07:02

Looks like Kevin Spacey got being gay wrong.

The only people who will use his statement to conflate homosexuality with paedophi1ia are people who will use anything to conflate the two.

The best way to deal with them is expose them for the miserable, hate filled fucking homophobes they are not bash Kevin Spacey

A simple; "Kev, you're doing gay wrong mate" would've sufficed.

The knicker twisting has just made a global sensation out of the story which is rather more helpfully to miserable, hate filled fucking homophobes than the original statement ever was on its own.

Considering the Slider story it seems that in his youth Spacey would have a go at anything in trousers, but would take no for an answer.

Not particularly honourable or even law abiding but hardly the worst thing in the world as it appears he was looking for consenting partners rather than victims, perhaps more stories will come out to show a different pattern of behavior, we'll see.
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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Copehead wrote:Not particularly honourable or even law abiding but hardly the worst thing in the world as it appears he was looking for consenting partners...


Try telling that to a scared 14-year old kid who didn't sign up for being sexually approached by someone he admired.
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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Copehead wrote:Not particularly honourable or even law abiding but hardly the worst thing in the world as it appears he was looking for consenting partners...


Try telling that to a scared 14-year old kid who didn't sign up for being sexually approached by someone he admired.


Or in this case a 14 year old appears to have gone out drinking and partying with an older man.
I can imagine he was a bit shocked but 30 years of trauma after someone made a pass at him that went nowhere seems to over egg the pudding somewhat.
Perhaps he really is that delicate, which is sad for him, in which case you have to wonder who was supposed to be in loco parentis.
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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Copehead wrote:Not particularly honourable or even law abiding but hardly the worst thing in the world as it appears he was looking for consenting partners...


Try telling that to a scared 14-year old kid who didn't sign up for being sexually approached by someone he admired.


Or in this case a 14 year old appears to have gone out drinking and partying with an older man.
I can imagine he was a bit shocked but 30 years of trauma after someone made a pass at him that went nowhere seems to over egg the pudding somewhat.
Perhaps he really is that delicate, which is sad for him, in which case you have to wonder who was supposed to be in loco parentis.


I can vouch for victims of sexual abuse having major issues well after the event occurred from personal experience.

You can always speculate about what drives anyone to disclose these events especially when someone famous is being implicated but not that there is a reasonable possibility that trauma still is present and not completely dealt with.
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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Try telling that to a scared 14-year old kid who didn't sign up for being sexually approached by someone he admired.


Or in this case a 14 year old appears to have gone out drinking and partying with an older man.
I can imagine he was a bit shocked but 30 years of trauma after someone made a pass at him that went nowhere seems to over egg the pudding somewhat.
Perhaps he really is that delicate, which is sad for him, in which case you have to wonder who was supposed to be in loco parentis.


I can vouch for victims of sexual abuse having major issues well after the event occurred from personal experience.

You can always speculate about what drives anyone to disclose these events especially when someone famous is being implicated but not that there is a reasonable possibility that trauma still is present and not completely dealt with.


Is someone asking you whether you want to fuck when you don't sexual abuse these days?

If in this case it was, what was he doing out partying at 14 years old, who allowed someone so callow to do that?

The story just seems odd, is this person's career on the skids by any chance?
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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maybe he was dressed provocatively
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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Shouldn't be the onus on Spacey here? What the hell was he thinking inviting this kid over? Was it premeditated?
And why wouldn't this boy be overwhelmed to be asked to hang out with a well-known actor? Was he to be expected to know that it could have been a ploy from the get-go to have sex with him?

There is no answer to all these questions but the early going seems to be in favor of the boy.
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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never/ever wrote:Shouldn't be the onus on Spacey here? What the hell was he thinking inviting this kid over? Was it premeditated?
And why wouldn't this boy be overwhelmed to be asked to hang out with a well-known actor? Was he to be expected to know that it could have been a ploy from the get-go to have sex with him?

There is no answer to all these questions but the early going seems to be in favor of the boy.


Not defending Spacey but he was not a well known actor at the age of 26.

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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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never/ever wrote:Shouldn't be the onus on Spacey here? What the hell was he thinking inviting this kid over? Was it premeditated?
And why wouldn't this boy be overwhelmed to be asked to hang out with a well-known actor? Was he to be expected to know that it could have been a ploy from the get-go to have sex with him?

There is no answer to all these questions but the early going seems to be in favor of the boy.


It certainly appears to have been pre-meditated, if drink emboldened, and if this person had wanted to have sex with Spacey he would have been unable to give legal consent, but when did that ever stop "bohemians" shagging the willing under aged; pre paedogeddon?

But seeing as nothing happened it was surely just an inappropriate suggestion rather than an inappropriate physical act.

If Kevin Spacey had raped him - bring on the ducking stool; but "Kevin Spacey asked me for a shag and I said no and he said Ok" isn't much to build a pitchfork wielding mob around in this day an age even if he was 14 and traumatised by it.
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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never/ever wrote:
Copehead wrote:Not particularly honourable or even law abiding but hardly the worst thing in the world as it appears he was looking for consenting partners...


Try telling that to a scared 14-year old kid who didn't sign up for being sexually approached by someone he admired.


Or in this case a 14 year old appears to have gone out drinking and partying with an older man.
I can imagine he was a bit shocked but 30 years of trauma after someone made a pass at him that went nowhere seems to over egg the pudding somewhat.
Perhaps he really is that delicate, which is sad for him, in which case you have to wonder who was supposed to be in loco parentis.


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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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The only people who will use his statement to conflate homosexuality with paedophi1ia are people who will use anything to conflate the two.



I'm astounded that you think anyone is trying to do that. In fact, you appear to be making the connection, not anyone else.

What others are saying is that Spacey has issued a statement that connects the two. Not that they believe the two are connected.
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby never/ever » 31 Oct 2017, 08:23

'Nothing happened' because the kid escaped.

Robert: point taken but from what I know Spacey has been acting since 1981. And both were working on Broadway at the time on different productions.
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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Has Copey even read what Anthony Rapp said?
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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The Red Heifer wrote:Jesus fucking Christ.


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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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Goat Boy wrote:Has Copey even read what Anthony Rapp said?


Like I'm interested in celebrity tittle tattle, of course I haven't, I haven't even read what Kevin Spacey has said.
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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So you’re above reading it but not above giving an opinion on it all.

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