Louis CK, Woody Allen, Bill Cosby, Kevin Spacey...

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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Postby Dr Markus » 19 Jan 2018, 13:07

I find it weird that there's actors now that have worked with him recently that are distancing themselves from him. Like, when they were working with him they still knew what had allegedly happened. The only difference now is that people are talking about it more, so now they have to distance themselves from him. I find their efforts a little redundant.
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The Great Defector wrote:I find it weird that there's actors now that have worked with him recently that are distancing themselves from him. Like, when they were working with him they still knew what had allegedly happened. The only difference now is that people are talking about it more, so now they have to distance themselves from him. I find their efforts a little redundant.


There's long been something a bit creepy about his plots - young girl with older man - going all the way back to 'Manhattan' (*); a lot of the relationships in the films could be verging on abuse given the disparity in ages between leading man and leading lady.

* even Diane Keaton was 10 years younger.

A lot hangs on that 'allegedly', but his relationship with Soon-Yi is absolutely problematic if you want to avoid art made by monstrous men.
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Postby Minnie Cheddars » 19 Jan 2018, 13:19

Moleskin wrote:
The Great Defector wrote:I find it weird that there's actors now that have worked with him recently that are distancing themselves from him. Like, when they were working with him they still knew what had allegedly happened. The only difference now is that people are talking about it more, so now they have to distance themselves from him. I find their efforts a little redundant.


There's long been something a bit creepy about his plots - young girl with older man - going all the way back to 'Manhattan' (*); a lot of the relationships in the films could be verging on abuse given the disparity in ages between leading man and leading lady.

* even Diane Keaton was 10 years younger.

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What is creepy about being in a relationship with someone ten years older than you?
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Postby Dr Markus » 19 Jan 2018, 13:19

Yeah, I've never been a fan of Allen even before the allegations, but any time I read a plot line about his films it usually does have the young girl with older man narrative. Did any one see his daughter's interview, I think it was yesterday or the day before.
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Postby Goat Boy » 19 Jan 2018, 13:26

10 years younger?! OMFG

I went out with a 23 year old when I was 30. Thank fuck she wasn’t 3 years younger! Yikes!
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Re: sexual assault - Woody Allen back in the news

Postby Moleskin » 19 Jan 2018, 13:28

Minnie the Minx wrote:
Moleskin wrote:
The Great Defector wrote:I find it weird that there's actors now that have worked with him recently that are distancing themselves from him. Like, when they were working with him they still knew what had allegedly happened. The only difference now is that people are talking about it more, so now they have to distance themselves from him. I find their efforts a little redundant.


There's long been something a bit creepy about his plots - young girl with older man - going all the way back to 'Manhattan' (*); a lot of the relationships in the films could be verging on abuse given the disparity in ages between leading man and leading lady.

* even Diane Keaton was 10 years younger.

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What is creepy about being in a relationship with someone ten years older than you?


Nothing necessarily, although it might depend on the relative/perceived maturity of the participants (eg., 28yo dates 18yo seems a bit creepier than 36 dates 26).

I was really talking about Mariel Hemingway (17) vs Woody (42) in 'Manhattan' as a long-ago indicator of Woody's interest in (sometimes much) younger women.
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Moleskin wrote:
Minnie the Minx wrote:
Moleskin wrote:
There's long been something a bit creepy about his plots - young girl with older man - going all the way back to 'Manhattan' (*); a lot of the relationships in the films could be verging on abuse given the disparity in ages between leading man and leading lady.

* even Diane Keaton was 10 years younger.

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What is creepy about being in a relationship with someone ten years older than you?


Nothing necessarily, although it might depend on the relative/perceived maturity of the participants (eg., 28yo dates 18yo seems a bit creepier than 36 dates 26).

I was really talking about Mariel Hemingway (17) vs Woody (42) in 'Manhattan' as a long-ago indicator of Woody's interest in (sometimes much) younger women.


That was the age difference between my Mum and Dad. Were my parents creepy?
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Minnie the Minx wrote:
Moleskin wrote:
Minnie the Minx wrote:
What is creepy about being in a relationship with someone ten years older than you?


Nothing necessarily, although it might depend on the relative/perceived maturity of the participants (eg., 28yo dates 18yo seems a bit creepier than 36 dates 26).

I was really talking about Mariel Hemingway (17) vs Woody (42) in 'Manhattan' as a long-ago indicator of Woody's interest in (sometimes much) younger women.


That was the age difference between my Mum and Dad. Were my parents creepy?


No.
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Postby Minnie Cheddars » 19 Jan 2018, 14:38

Ok.
But Woody Allen's plots about the same age difference are creepy - you said. What's the difference between my parents age difference and that of Woody?
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Postby sloopjohnc » 19 Jan 2018, 14:52

Moleskin wrote:
The Great Defector wrote:I find it weird that there's actors now that have worked with him recently that are distancing themselves from him. Like, when they were working with him they still knew what had allegedly happened. The only difference now is that people are talking about it more, so now they have to distance themselves from him. I find their efforts a little redundant.


There's long been something a bit creepy about his plots - young girl with older man - going all the way back to 'Manhattan' (*); a lot of the relationships in the films could be verging on abuse given the disparity in ages between leading man and leading lady.

* even Diane Keaton was 10 years younger.

A lot hangs on that 'allegedly', but his relationship with Soon-Yi is absolutely problematic if you want to avoid art made by monstrous men.


I think if you look at lots of lead actor and actress romantic leads, there are tons of way older guys and younger leading ladies who develop a romantic relationship in movies. I think that's been going on for years in Hollywood movies. Allen has taken that age disparity in some of his movies a little further.

I don't have the energy to research it, but I'm pretty sure that would be true. That's no comment on the rightness or wrongness of it, just that it's not really that big a Hollywood anomaly.

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Postby Moleskin » 19 Jan 2018, 14:54

perhaps 'creepy' was the wrong word.
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I think your statement is a victim of different time, different views on things like this.
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Postby sloopjohnc » 19 Jan 2018, 17:27

Re: age differences in couples, and I think Minnie might be surprised on reading this regarding what I've written in some past posts.

My grandmother and grandfather had a 25 year difference - she was his legal secretary when they got married when she was very young. They divorced, but from what I understand, it's because he went a little kooky during the Depression and it wasn't because of the relationship.

Also, a good friend of mine married her college professor and there's a 20+ year difference. They've been married for almost 30 years now and she became stepmom to his two kids when she was around 23 or so.

But I'll equate this to a discussion I had with some friends a few years back. I don't know how we got on the subject, but one of my friends (I think I baited him a little) said he'd be really discouraged if his daughters dated and married a black guy. I called him on it and told him I was godfather to my nephew, who's half black and white. I told him if his daughter loved the guy and he treated her right, what's the problem? I went off a little.

A few minutes later you could tell he had thought about it and said his cousin was married to a Hispanic guy and they were very happy together.

I think we look askance at anything that's outside of our little boxes - it's natural, but whether it's a Jew marrying a Catholic, Black marrying white or whatever ethnicity, man marrying man or woman marrying woman, or heck, if I fall in love with a little person, and we're happy, it doesn't matter.

I dated some younger women when I was in my 20s and I just didn't have much in common with them, but that was me. As long as the relationship isn't exploitative and both people are getting into it for the right reasons - and they're aware of the social pitfalls, but love each other so much that they figure they can withstand them together, then it's all good.

Minnie comes across as protective of her mom and dad, as most of us are, because she loved/loves her mom and dad with all the good characteristics and faults. Heck, that's family.

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Postby Nuts » 20 Jan 2018, 10:58

This is another trial by media. As was said, this was tried and tested 25 years ago. Whatever you may think, if Woody has no charges against him, then the thing should just be left alone.
I really don't see what relevance adult couple age differences have on the case either. However distasteful a 65 year old being in a relationship with a 25 year old might be to some people, it doesn't mean that the man (or the woman if it was the other way around) are keen on messing with pre-pubescents.
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Postby Jeemo » 20 Jan 2018, 18:27

What I do find creepy is someone taking nude photographs of their partners 17 year old adoptive daughter.
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Jeemo wrote:What I do find creepy is someone taking nude photographs of their partners 17 year old adoptive daughter.


I thought about that. Pretty unexcusable. I tried to cover that by my use of "exploitative" in my post.

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Postby Pansy Puff » 20 Jan 2018, 19:48

Wasn't she 21?

(Still his partner's adoptive daughter).
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Postby PresMuffley » 20 Jan 2018, 23:25

This was an interesting read:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/i-read-decades-of-woody-allens-private-notes-hes-obsessed-with-teenage-girls/2018/01/04/f2701482-f03b-11e7-b3bf-ab90a706e175_story.html?utm_term=.d2488356543f

There was also a 10 year age difference between my folks. My mom was 17, pops 27 when they got together. They were married for 26 years, and would still be today if he were alive. Just throwing that out there...

Anyway... I've long been a Woody Allen fan, but I think 'creepy' is definitely a worthy decriptor for him. Whether or not he molested Dylan seems kind of irrelevant to me. She obviously believes he did, and that makes me very sad for her.
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Postby sloopjohnc » 23 Jan 2018, 22:00

This is harrowing. I feel so sorry for this young women along with the rest of them.

https://deadspin.com/mattie-larson-to-l ... 1822348327

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