sexual assault - Woody Allen back in the news

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Re: sexual assault

Postby Lord Rother » 17 Dec 2017, 17:03

Jeemo wrote:
Thang-y wrote:
!!VAPRANT!! wrote:Yes. Although I do understand the point about the degree of trauma being known/felt only by the victim.


Here's an expansion on it:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 15061.html

Personally, I think it's a limited argument. Rape, chronic harrassment etc yes absolutely. Anyone *traumatised* by much lesser stuff like one arse pat or small stuff should get the fuck over it. And I say that as someone who's been upset about smaller stuff. There is a scale of reaction (for each individual).

Over-reaction calls for reaction like calls of 'witch hunt' and lessening the impact of calling out abuse.

She's wrong.


get the fuck over it. really.

you're assuming that the "one arse pat" is the only event thats happened to the person that is traumatised. it could trigger reminders of previous abusive patternsr.

rule 1 as a carer. dont assume that you know everything about anyone in your care.



That’s exactly why Thangy said “one arse pat”.
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Re: sexual assault

Postby Thang-y » 17 Dec 2017, 17:04

Jeemo wrote:
Thang-y wrote:
!!VAPRANT!! wrote:Yes. Although I do understand the point about the degree of trauma being known/felt only by the victim.


Here's an expansion on it:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 15061.html

Personally, I think it's a limited argument. Rape, chronic harrassment etc yes absolutely. Anyone *traumatised* by much lesser stuff like one arse pat or small stuff should get the fuck over it. And I say that as someone who's been upset about smaller stuff. There is a scale of reaction (for each individual).

Over-reaction calls for reaction like calls of 'witch hunt' and lessening the impact of calling out abuse.

She's wrong.


get the fuck over it. really.

you're assuming that the "one arse pat" is the only event thats happened to the person that is traumatised. it could trigger reminders of previous abusive patternsr.

rule 1 as a carer. dont assume that you know everything about anyone in your care.

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Re: sexual assault

Postby Thang-y » 17 Dec 2017, 17:05

Just quoting this. I'm not really awake enough to respond to this but I do want to quote it.

Edit: I'll take my own medicine by 'getting over it' but that was an arsehole response .. he's not the only arsehole on here either but the other male one is obvious and I have the arseholes on ignore. I could point out their errors but arseholes aren't interested in it, they're too busy being assertively righteous so aren't worth bothering, not in this thread not elsewhere. (No I'm not talking about Coan). Seriously, the anger of some of the massive hypocrites in this place staggers me.

I'm posting when I'm sleepy which isn't a good idea. I expect crap from some quarters (which I have on ignore as it's about them not me and I don't read it), it surprises me when I get it from others who I didn't expect to misread my points, wilfully or not. Whatever.

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Re: sexual assault

Postby The Great Defector » 17 Dec 2017, 18:08

You new? ;)
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Re: sexual assault

Postby Velvis » 17 Dec 2017, 18:14

25 years ago I was in a play with a guy who was a heavy drinker. A couple of the people in the show were. Being recently divorced from my first wife, I would go hit the bars with them after rehearsals. One night, being too toasted to drive the 45 minutes home, I crashed on the floor of one of the guys. So did the first-mentioned guy.

The first-mentioned guy was horny and kept trying to call phone sex sites as I drifted in and out of sleep. I found this a bit bizarre, but to each his own. Eventually I woke up to a feather-light touch on the outside of my jeans and found myself looking into his eyes, mere inches away. I gently rebuffed his advances--not gay, not experimenting, not interested. He was not insistent, and cut it out immediately.

After that, things were a bit awkward for a while, but he eventually quit drinking and became a substance abuse counselor. We remained friends and I've done many shows with him over the years. I never felt traumatized. It was just a thing that happened. Importantly, unlike Spacey, he didn't have any power or authority over me. And I could have decked him if I was a violent sort of person, with no repercussions.

Anyway, I still think of him as a very decent guy irrespective of that incident.
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Re: sexual assault

Postby sloopjohnc » 17 Dec 2017, 18:17

Velvis wrote:25 years ago I was in a play with a guy who was a heavy drinker. A couple of the people in the show were. Being recently divorced from my first wife, I would go hit the bars with them after rehearsals. One night, being too toasted to drive the 45 minutes home, I crashed on the floor of one of the guys. So did the first-mentioned guy.

The first-mentioned guy was horny and kept trying to call phone sex sites as I drifted in and out of sleep. I found this a bit bizarre, but to each his own. Eventually I woke up to a feather-light touch on the outside of my jeans and found myself looking into his eyes, mere inches away. I gently rebuffed his advances--not gay, not experimenting, not interested. He was not insistent, and cut it out immediately.


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Re: sexual assault

Postby Jeemo » 17 Dec 2017, 18:44

Lord Rother wrote:
Jeemo wrote:
Thang-y wrote:
Here's an expansion on it:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 15061.html

Personally, I think it's a limited argument. Rape, chronic harrassment etc yes absolutely. Anyone *traumatised* by much lesser stuff like one arse pat or small stuff should get the fuck over it. And I say that as someone who's been upset about smaller stuff. There is a scale of reaction (for each individual).

Over-reaction calls for reaction like calls of 'witch hunt' and lessening the impact of calling out abuse.

She's wrong.


get the fuck over it. really.

you're assuming that the "one arse pat" is the only event thats happened to the person that is traumatised. it could trigger reminders of previous abusive patternsr.

rule 1 as a carer. dont assume that you know everything about anyone in your care.



That’s exactly why Thangy said “one arse pat”.


and thats why i exactly said nobody knows if it is " one arse pat"
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Re: sexual assault

Postby Jeemo » 17 Dec 2017, 18:49

Thang-y wrote:Just quoting this. I'm not really awake enough to respond to this but I do want to quote it.

Edit: I'll take my own medicine by 'getting over it' but that was an arsehole response .. he's not the only arsehole on here either but the other male one is obvious and I have the arseholes on ignore. I could point out their errors but arseholes aren't interested in it, they're too busy being assertively righteous so aren't worth bothering, not in this thread not elsewhere. (No I'm not talking about Coan). Seriously, the anger of some of the massive hypocrites in this place staggers me.

I'm posting when I'm sleepy which isn't a good idea. I expect crap from some quarters (which I have on ignore as it's about them not me and I don't read it), it surprises me when I get it from others who I didn't expect to misread my points, wilfully or not. Whatever.


and thanks for the pm to tell me I'm arsehole, just in case i missed it. weren't sleepy enough for that. sweet dreams
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Re: sexual assault

Postby K » 17 Dec 2017, 19:00

A 'one arse pat' is so clearly fucking unacceptable I don't see what we're arguing about. Jeemo is right, too, we don't even know if it is a one arse pat.
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Re: sexual assault

Postby Thang-y » 17 Dec 2017, 19:08

Darryl Strawberry wrote: we don't even know if it is a one arse pat.


I was talking about examples when it was one arse pat. That's why I said "one arse pat". (Edit 3: I did get the point that an arse pat may be given to a previous rape victim but I'm still talking just about an arse pat. I'm not going to keep on clarifying to you angry men, it's a bit rich really.) (Edit 1: And I said nothing about it being acceptable. I can't believe I'm saying that again. Pft.) (Edit2 : I'm certainly not going to argue how much worse being raped is though, so you carry on being angry.)
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Re: sexual assault

Postby Diamond Dog » 17 Dec 2017, 19:08

I should be amazed that anyone is actually arguing that a 'one arse pat' is okay - but, hey, this is BCB and 'they' think it's time to overcome those of 'us' who are 'virtual signalling' all the fucking time... so I'm not, sadly.
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Re: sexual assault

Postby Lord Rother » 17 Dec 2017, 21:04

I must have missed the “one arse pat is ok” post.

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Re: sexual assault

Postby K » 17 Dec 2017, 21:20

Lord Rother wrote:I must have missed the “one arse pat is ok” post.

It's a paraphrasing.
Anyone *traumatised* by much lesser stuff like one arse pat or small stuff should get the fuck over it
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Re: sexual assault

Postby Thang-y » 17 Dec 2017, 22:40

Did I say it's OK? No, I said anyone really traumatised by it should get the fuck over it.

As a female, if they're seriously traumatised by that then they'd be a nervous wreck by the age of about 11.

You guys talk the right on talk don't you.

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Re: sexual assault

Postby Jeemo » 18 Dec 2017, 09:28

us guys :roll:
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Re: sexual assault

Postby nev harp » 18 Dec 2017, 11:37

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Re: sexual assault

Postby Jeemo » 18 Dec 2017, 12:05

the singular twat
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Re: sexual assault

Postby Diamond Dog » 18 Dec 2017, 17:12

Jeemo wrote:the singular twat


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Re: sexual assault

Postby Diamond Dog » 18 Dec 2017, 17:17

kewl klive wrote:The Three Mansplainteers.


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