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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby Goat Boy » 03 Nov 2017, 13:03

Is picking somebody up and then climbing on top of them not sexual assault? I'm no expert but the definition could apply here, no?
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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Goat Boy wrote:Is picking somebody up and then climbing on top of them not sexual assault? I'm no expert but the definition could apply here, no?


I honestly don't know.

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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby Goat Boy » 03 Nov 2017, 13:06

Sexual assault is a statutory offence in England and Wales. It is created by section 3 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 which defines "sexual assault" as when a person (A)

1.intentionally touches another person (B),
2.the touching is sexual,
3.B does not consent to the touching, and
4.A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby The Modernist » 03 Nov 2017, 13:07

Is 1 dependent on 2?

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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby Goat Boy » 03 Nov 2017, 13:12

I would assume so. Clearly the 14 year old did not consent and the touching was sexual
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby The Modernist » 03 Nov 2017, 13:18

Goat Boy wrote:I would assume so. Clearly the 14 year old did not consent and the touching was sexual although maybe some might take issue with that but....


I suppose it depends on the context. Clearly tapping someone on the shoulder wouldn't be construed as sexual assault. The touching has to come within the context of an attempted seduction, or just in itself be sexual in nature. It is about proving the intention of the toucher I guess, that they're doing it to get some sexual thrill. Under this definition I would say that this could certainly be seen as sexual assault.

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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby Goat Boy » 03 Nov 2017, 13:21

"...And then he lays down on top of me.”


When I lie down on somebody I'm not intending to read a book
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby The Modernist » 03 Nov 2017, 13:30

I'm agreeing with you Dougie!

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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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We got there in the end ;)
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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Goat Boy wrote:I would assume so. Clearly the 14 year old did not consent and the touching was sexual


I also don't think "sexual" regarding touching necessarily means the butt, genitals or breasts. I bet it can mean the thigh or any other "suggestive" place, for lack of better term, although it might be harder to prosecute. I think that's why so many of these dorks start off with the shoulder massage - to gauge willingness and reciprocity.
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby sloopjohnc » 03 Nov 2017, 15:39

Goat Boy wrote:
"...And then he lays down on top of me.”


When I lie down on somebody I'm not intending to read a book


No, but they might be. In your case, it's probably more like a short newspaper article or the comics.

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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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Cheeky bitch!

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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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Goat Boy wrote:Cheeky bitch!

I'll have you know I aim for nothing less than 8 seconds



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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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sloopjohnc wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:
"...And then he lays down on top of me.”


When I lie down on somebody I'm not intending to read a book


No, but they might be. In your case, it's probably more like a short newspaper article or the comics.

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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby echolalia » 03 Nov 2017, 17:16

Goat Boy wrote:Well people will logically conclude he is a sexual predator based on accusations like this and others. Of course they will.

They will, but not logically. The best they can logically conclude is that based on the accusations levelled at him he can reasonably be accused of being a sexual predator, but that doesn’t mean he’s guilty of being one.

Goat Boy wrote:The accusations are of general inappropriate behaviour and actual sexual assault. I certainly don't consider myself to be part of the "moral outrage brigade" by the way and I can understand why some of the shit you see on social media relating to these stories and other, far more minor discretions is unwelcome and unpleasant but it seems pretty clear what he is being accused of and it goes beyond just merely trying it on with men.

I don’t consider you to be a member of the moral outrage brigade either Dougie. Far the fuck from it! Anyway, we shall see how things unfold.

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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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Goat Boy wrote:We got there in the end ;)


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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

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echolalia wrote:
Goat Boy wrote:Well people will logically conclude he is a sexual predator based on accusations like this and others. Of course they will.

They will, but not logically. The best they can logically conclude is that based on the accusations levelled at him he can reasonably be accused of being a sexual predator, but that doesn’t mean he’s guilty of being one.


A fair comment

I don’t consider you to be a member of the moral outrage brigade either Dougie. Far the fuck from it! Anyway, we shall see how things unfold.


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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby zoomboogity » 09 Nov 2017, 05:17

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/08/entertain ... y-replaced

I could see SCTV doing something like this. Something involving Lola Heatherton and Bobby Bittman.

But really - that photo. This dude is just a few years older than me. He's not even 60, and he looks 70. I hadn't seen any recent photos of him. It's a little disturbing. I'm no spring chicken, but jeez.
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Re: Kevin Spacey's statement

Postby The Great Defector » 09 Nov 2017, 11:15

Kevin Spacey: Completed film to be reshot without sex claim actor


http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41925767

Scott or the production company ain't fucking about.

Now Charlie sheen is being alleged to have had sex with Corey Haim when he was like 14. Operation Hollywood Yewtree is up and away.
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