RIP Hugh Hefner

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RIP Hugh Hefner

Postby Snarfyguy » 28 Sep 2017, 04:44

A guy whose schtick was he that couldn't be bothered to get fully dressed, presumably because he was so busy having sex with sexy girls? Please. :roll:

He always seemed antiquated to me, even though he was supposed to be a symbol of some kind of sexual breakthrough. Whatever, he was just part of the fundament, and later, spectacularly irrelevant, I guess, even though, or perhaps because, he was still apparently unable to put on a shirt and pants.

His current wife was something like 50 or 70 years his junior? Christ, got something to prove there?

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EDIT: Reading this over, sorry for the remorseless indictment that's not even masquerading as a tribute.
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Re: RIP Hugh Hefner

Postby HarryIrene » 28 Sep 2017, 09:38

Well probably the only man that Donald Trump looks up to has died.
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Re: RIP Hugh Hefner

Postby Goat Boy » 28 Sep 2017, 09:53

Snarfyguy wrote:A guy whose schtick was he that couldn't be bothered to get fully dressed, presumably because he was so busy having sex with sexy girls? Please. :roll:

He always seemed antiquated to me, even though he was supposed to be a symbol of some kind of sexual breakthrough. Whatever, he was just part of the fundament, and later, spectacularly irrelevant, I guess, even though, or perhaps because, he was still apparently unable to put on a shirt and pants.



To me he seemed like a deeply unpleasant product of the sexual revolution. Sexual "liberation" but liberation for men, not women ultimately.

I'm no expert but from things I've read over the years, particularly from former residents of the mansion he comes across as a controlling, abusive son of a bitch.
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Re: RIP Hugh Hefner

Postby Harvey K-Tel » 28 Sep 2017, 13:58

I never even considered his wardrobe to be a "schtick", I just thought he liked wearing silk robes, although now that Snarfy's mentioned it, I guess it makes sense. He also, to me, seemed fairly benign, almost like a grandfather figure more than anything - in my mind, he just never really embodied the term "playboy", but what do I know, I was only looking at the pictures.
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Re: RIP Hugh Hefner

Postby The Modernist » 28 Sep 2017, 14:04

I find it difficult to have a strong opinion on him either way. He always seemed like a man out of time to me, like he was still in some Las Vegas club with the rat pack. Likewise Playboy itself seemed like the fantasy of a 50s jock ( which it essentially was) uncomfortably, and incongruously, existing in the modern age. Yet America loves success and it loves excess, and he had plenty of both.

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Re: RIP Hugh Hefner

Postby borofan » 28 Sep 2017, 16:40

A man who lived so long that his first wife was called Mildred, and his last was called Crystal.
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Re: RIP Hugh Hefner

Postby sloopjohnc » 28 Sep 2017, 16:42

When I was nine or 10, we used to go to a family friend's cabin at the Russian River, north of the Bay Area. One summer, there was my family, my cousins' family and the family friends who owned the place.

Me, my brother and my girl cousin, Karen, who was my age, found a stash of Playboys the owners had in the basement and we looked at those things for hours until our parents found us and banned us from the area.

I daresay that a lot of American kids, both boys and girls, have had similar experiences with Playboy from childhood to adolescence.
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Re: RIP Hugh Hefner

Postby Sneelock » 28 Sep 2017, 16:49

damned straight!

I've seen or heard about 5 obits for Hugh Hefner now and they all seem to be along the lines of "The Father of Old Skool Porno dead at 91. He died after the Internet replaced him and Christians hated him for objectifying women. good riddance." so, THAT's why the Christians hated him? I have my doubts.

Like Snarfy I always found his whole schtick distasteful. This is largely because nearly every male friend I had in my 20's worshipped the guy. I liked the way he came off in those old "Playboy after Dark" shows with his pipe and his babes throwing these artificial and unlikely parties with all the notable people of the day. Me, I think a pipe & a bathrobe is a good look for anybody.

I suppose I should be thankful that he put pretty naked women in a glossy magazine with the best writers & cartoonists of the day because it was easy to run across a copy in a bathroom drawer. This made growing up in the 60's and 70's much more bearable. But, If Barbi Benton wasn't my very first experience of inner tribal drums it was certainly among my first. when Hef dumped Barbi Benton for a newer model he didn't seem to represent anything to me but a creepy old guy. I don't care who he throws parties with.

Still, one more Lazy Obit and I'll speak up on the guy's behalf. I mean, come on. there were what Kurt Vonnegut called "Wide Open Beaver" magazines before Hef. the idea that he invented that is preposterous He mainstreamed it - that's a very different thing.

I agree that as much bad as good came from "the sexual revolution" but shit, naked ladies that looked happy to be there, guys like Norman Mailer and Salvador Dali happy to be there. Stupid overworked party jokes and the best one panel cartoons this side of the New Yorker.

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Postby sloopjohnc » 28 Sep 2017, 17:04

I also take it that getting invited to his Hollywood mansion and visiting the infamous grotto was a strange sign of really "making it" in entertainment.

I thought it was creepy that when people would tell stories about their first visit, they'd always mention seeing the same stars there, like James Caan or Fred Durst.
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Re: RIP Hugh Hefner

Postby Count Machuki » 28 Sep 2017, 17:29

His previous two deaths sort of took the wind out of his real one. Dumb internet.
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Postby sloopjohnc » 28 Sep 2017, 18:15

With HH dead, I figure Harvey K-Tel's the perfect guy to take his place.
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Postby Harvey K-Tel » 28 Sep 2017, 18:27

I don't think I can afford that much V*agra.
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Postby R. Swipe » 28 Sep 2017, 18:35

Sneelock wrote:damned straight!

I've seen or heard about 5 obits for Hugh Hefner now and they all seem to be along the lines of "The Father of Old Skool Porno dead at 91. He died after the Internet replaced him and Christians hated him for objectifying women. good riddance." so, THAT's why the Christians hated him? I have my doubts.

Like Snarfy I always found his whole schtick distasteful. This is largely because nearly every male friend I had in my 20's worshipped the guy. I liked the way he came off in those old "Playboy after Dark" shows with his pipe and his babes throwing these artificial and unlikely parties with all the notable people of the day. Me, I think a pipe & a bathrobe is a good look for anybody.

I suppose I should be thankful that he put pretty naked women in a glossy magazine with the best writers & cartoonists of the day because it was easy to run across a copy in a bathroom drawer. This made growing up in the 60's and 70's much more bearable. But, If Barbi Benton wasn't my very first experience of inner tribal drums it was certainly among my first. when Hef dumped Barbi Benton for a newer model he didn't seem to represent anything to me but a creepy old guy. I don't care who he throws parties with.

Still, one more Lazy Obit and I'll speak up on the guy's behalf. I mean, come on. there were what Kurt Vonnegut called "Wide Open Beaver" magazines before Hef. the idea that he invented that is preposterous He mainstreamed it - that's a very different thing.

I agree that as much bad as good came from "the sexual revolution" but shit, naked ladies that looked happy to be there, guys like Norman Mailer and Salvador Dali happy to be there. Stupid overworked party jokes and the best one panel cartoons this side of the New Yorker.

I never bought "the Playboy Lifestyle" but I bought Playboy. it was money well spent. those were some times.


Yeah!

I remember when I first had 'downstairs rumblings' and I shamefacedly bought copies of Mayfair from 24-hour garages for a quid and hid them from my folks - but I always thought they were total rubbish. And for a long time I thought Playboy was the same sort of thing, just an American version, a glossy rag with naughty pictures.

When I got a bit older I realised there was some value to the magazine - lots of great writers were published there for the first time, and there were some nice cartoons. And it made tossing off over plasticky babes almost respectable. I didn't know any better. I thought Hef was cool. I got hold of some older copies from that magazine shop in Soho (along with old NMEs and other publications, I hasten to add!) and enjoyed bits of them.

I didn't know about the 'abusive' rumours - maybe they're true. The man appeared to have absolutely no personality. But I think many men kind of looked up to him - in the sense that they wanted to be in his position. For better or worse. I can't defend him, really. Whatever.

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Re: RIP Hugh Hefner

Postby Count Machuki » 28 Sep 2017, 18:53

Harvey K-Tel wrote:I don't think I can afford that much V*agra.


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Postby Harvey K-Tel » 28 Sep 2017, 18:56

Count Machuki wrote:
Harvey K-Tel wrote:I don't think I can afford that much V*agra.


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Postby pcqgod » 28 Sep 2017, 19:23

So he did marry, huh? I always thought that he continued with that charade of having five or six "girlfriends" at once.
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Postby Charlie O. » 28 Sep 2017, 19:59

borofan wrote:A man who lived so long that his first wife was called Mildred, and his last was called Crystal.

:lol:


pcqgod wrote:So he did marry, huh? I always thought that he continued with that charade of having five or six "girlfriends" at once.

I'm sure he never looked at that as an "either/or" proposition.
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Postby bobzilla77 » 28 Sep 2017, 20:58

I was not a fan of his public persona, but I did enjoy that magazine of his, especially in the years before I turned 13. At that tender, innocent time of life, it was a gateway into gentle exploration of those feelings and curiosities.

Some people are asking, well was he any kind of cultural pioneer or did he just turn the time honored tradition of smut into a mainstream thing? I think mainstreaming smut was more complicated an impulse and business model that it would appear today, because most of us live in a world where Playboy has always existed. He could have ended up in jail for a long, long time had it gone a different way. He had to place a big bet that enough "respectable" men wanted to read that magazine that he eventually would get away with it.
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Postby Hugh » 28 Sep 2017, 21:42

Didn't someone here visit the mansion?

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Postby Charlie O. » 28 Sep 2017, 21:58

Hugh wrote:Didn't someone here visit the mansion?

Goldwax - there was some connection through his sister.
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