The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby The Great Defector » 10 Aug 2017, 22:02

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:I am not a lawyer, so Baron or someone else who is - correct me if I am wrong.

Here's how I understand the issue:

If you'd sell me and my wife this cake...
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...then you also have to be willing to sell it to a gay couple. Why is it discrimination if you refuse? Because the cake isn't the issue. You offer that cake to others.

On the other hand. If someone asks you to make a swastika cake, or a Donald Trump Cake, or a wedding cake with two guys fellating each other - you can say no to a gay couple as long as you would also say no to anyone else.

Get it? In this case, the problem really is about your free speech rights. Not about whom you are willing to serve.

Why is this hard?


We're talking about the enforcement of it Davy, and if it should be changed.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby The Great Defector » 10 Aug 2017, 22:05

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
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Are you sure that the training involved contradicts anything I said in my post?


The civil rights commison is government backed. My bad, maybe should have said instead of just highlighted.


That's not the issue. Do you know the substance of their training? You are saying that they are forcing other than what I described. I'd like you to substantiate that.


Why should they have to take the training in the first place? If its because they broke the law, is the law more important than your beliefs and is it really be enforced equally. That is the question.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby toomanyhatz » 10 Aug 2017, 22:07

So is your argument that the bakers should be ALLOWED to refuse service to a couple based on their sexuality? And if so do you STILL not see how this is completely unrelated to the "Trump cake?"
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby neville harp » 10 Aug 2017, 22:08

Davey the Fat Boy wrote:If you'd sell me and my wife this cake...
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Why is this hard?


Royal icing.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby toomanyhatz » 10 Aug 2017, 22:32

The Savage Young Gash wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Why is this hard?


Royal icing.


:D
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby Sneehosifatz » 10 Aug 2017, 22:38

I'm sorry, I'm Officer Sneelock from Cake Affairs. Your icing is substandard. You will need to report to icing indoctrination camp within the next 48 hours.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby Sneehosifatz » 10 Aug 2017, 22:51

All TRUMP supporters will be required to wear a bright, orange "T" on the front of their uniforms to make it easier to single them out.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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Classic Rock Sneelock wrote:All TRUMP supporters will be required to wear a bright, orange "T" on the front of their uniforms to make it easier to single them out.



No red hat?
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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more pictures of cakes please
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 10 Aug 2017, 23:45

The Great Defector wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:
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The civil rights commison is government backed. My bad, maybe should have said instead of just highlighted.


That's not the issue. Do you know the substance of their training? You are saying that they are forcing other than what I described. I'd like you to substantiate that.


Why should they have to take the training in the first place? If its because they broke the law, is the law more important than your beliefs and is it really be enforced equally. That is the question.


I can't even make out a meaningful question from that. I'll try to answer your sub-questions.

They should do the training so that they can learn what is discrimination and what isn't.

Yes,the law is more important than your beliefs. That's the point of having laws. They create a common standard of accepted behavior. Society does not have to accommodate every dumbasses bad interpretation of their religion if it causes them to do things that hurt society. If you believed murder was okay biblically, should we accommodate?

Yes - we should all equally not be allowed to discriminate.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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Classic Rock Sneelock wrote:Image


Nice, who made that?
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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Davey the Fat Boy wrote:They should do the training so that they can learn what is discrimination and what isn't.

Yes,the law is more important than your beliefs. That's the point of having laws. They create a common standard of accepted behavior. Society does not have to accommodate every dumbasses bad interpretation of their religion if it causes them to do things that hurt society. If you believed murder was okay biblically, should we accommodate?

Yes - we should all equally not be allowed to discriminate.


You answered just fine.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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Nice, who made that?
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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The Great Defector wrote:
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Nice, who made that?


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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby toomanyhatz » 11 Aug 2017, 05:40

The specifics of this particular case, by the way (rarely brought up by the far right blogosphere or whatever you want to call it) plays right into Davey's point. As I understand it (and correct me if I'm wrong here) the shop owner didn't object to the message on the cake or anything about the design. It was THAT IT WAS A WEDDING CAKE. His response was that he would happily sell them cupcakes. Just not a wedding cake.

I realize we all know this (or most of us do anyway), but conflating it with someone who may or may not have refused to make a cake for a Trump fan looks more and more ridiculous the closer you look.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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Count Machuki wrote:
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Classic Rock Sneelock wrote:Image


Nice, who made that?


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Whoa, that's alright then, early capitalism? that would have been a nightmare.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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Davey the Fat Boy wrote:They should do the training so that they can learn what is discrimination and what isn't.

Yes,the law is more important than your beliefs. That's the point of having laws. They create a common standard of accepted behavior. Society does not have to accommodate every dumbasses bad interpretation of their religion if it causes them to do things that hurt society. If you believed murder was okay biblically, should we accommodate?

Yes - we should all equally not be allowed to discriminate.


You answered just fine.


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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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This is the kind of debate I come to BCB for!



Right, no more debate like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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The Great Defector wrote:
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Nice, who made that?


Great Big Gay Trump Fan...
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