The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

in reality, all of this has been a total load of old bollocks
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The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby toomanyhatz » 10 Aug 2017, 16:53

It's become a necessity. Please discuss away.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby The Modernist » 10 Aug 2017, 16:55

I would recommend orange cream cheese frosting for Trump's hair.

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Postby Sneelock » 10 Aug 2017, 16:58

it should be an ice cream cake and served on a sunny day.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby Count Machuki » 10 Aug 2017, 17:13

SO, let's talk policy

did you know Trump is deporting fewer people than Obama did so far?
Also, what's up with the raid on Manafort's house? Wild, right?

Also: CAKE
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby Belle Lettre » 10 Aug 2017, 17:14

I'll have covfeve with mine
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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Count Machuki wrote:Also, what's up with the raid on Manafort's house? Wild, right?

maybe to spook the White House? I mean, Manafort left with a knife in his back pretty much, didn't he?

Also: CAKE

the most beautiful cake you ever saw?
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby souphound » 10 Aug 2017, 17:42

Let's make cake great again
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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souphound wrote:Let's make cake great again


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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby toomanyhatz » 10 Aug 2017, 18:08

Despite the jokey title, this thread WAS started with a serious intent, which was to move the cake discussions off the Trump thread as they are irrelevant to it. What brought it on was this exchange:

The Great Defector wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Simplifying the cake idiocy a little more...

If a baker refuses to make a cake for a gay wedding, they are refusing because they don't like the customer. They would be perfectly within their rights to refuse a specific design that offended them...just as long as they are willing to make a cake they'd make for anyone else for that couple.

It's the same with the Trump cake. As long as they'd refuse to make one for anyone - it isn't discrimination.



I agree, but unfortunately not everyone does, nor does the government backed organizations.

For refusing to make the same-sex wedding cake, he was ordered by the state’s Civil Rights Commission to undergo “re-education” training, change his store policies and file quarterly “compliance” reports for two years.


Which I thought raised a subject that could be interesting. After a lengthy and frustrating attempt to explain how this interesting subject was unrelated to Trump in any way, I have politely asked that this discussion be moved here.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby bobzilla77 » 10 Aug 2017, 18:24

So as I understand it, the Albertson's bakery that "refused" to make a Trump cake has apologized for a rogue employee not understanding their policy and making a mistake, and that little girl got her Trump cake. Hardly seems like a federal case.

The bakers refusing to bake cakes for gay weddings are discriminating against a group of people that is protected from discrimination. There's no mistake.

But I don't think this is confusing to anyone it's just fun for Markus to run around looking for liberal hypocrisy wherever it can be found. It's a more unfortunate "Paul Is Dead" phenomenon.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby The Modernist » 10 Aug 2017, 18:25

How do people feel about the carrot cake? I'm a big fan.

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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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bobzilla77 wrote:
The bakers refusing to bake cakes for gay weddings are discriminating against a group of people that is protected from discrimination. There's no mistake.
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The Irish case wasn't that straightforward to be fair.

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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby fire and fueryIre » 10 Aug 2017, 18:27

Excellent idea for a thread, the only thing wrong is the title which really ought to be...

Cakegate
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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The Modernist wrote:
bobzilla77 wrote:
The bakers refusing to bake cakes for gay weddings are discriminating against a group of people that is protected from discrimination. There's no mistake.
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The Irish case cake wasn't that straightforward to be fair.


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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

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The Modernist wrote:How do people feel about the carrot cake? I'm a big fan.


Definitely a big fan, here. Do y'all get cream cheese icing over there? That's the bomb.

Talking about bombs, how about that TRUMP, eh? What a fruit.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby toomanyhatz » 10 Aug 2017, 18:36

bobzilla77 wrote:So as I understand it, the Albertson's bakery that "refused" to make a Trump cake has apologized for a rogue employee not understanding their policy and making a mistake, and that little girl got her Trump cake. Hardly seems like a federal case


This was the gist of my argument as to why it was a false equivalency. Albertson's did not refuse to bake a cake. A single employee made that decision. Whether she made that decision due to her personal distaste for Trump or a misunderstanding of store policy, any disciplinary action is between her and the store. Neither side has involved the courts at all. It is completely irrelevant to any discussion of the Colorado case.

The bakers refusing to bake cakes for gay weddings are discriminating against a group of people that is protected from discrimination. There's no mistake.


This is true, though there is an interesting discussion to be had about what is a reasonable response to this. This is of course still being discussed in the court system. My personal feeling is close to what Davey says in the quote a few posts up. Unfortunately this isn't where the discussion led. Maybe it still can.

But I don't think this is confusing to anyone it's just fun for Markus to run around looking for liberal hypocrisy wherever it can be found. It's a more unfortunate "Paul Is Dead" phenomenon.


I would like to think this is true, but I honestly think Markus is legitimately confused. Hence the discussion in the Trump thread, even though the two "Cake Controversies" are not related.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby Sneelock » 10 Aug 2017, 18:49

The fire and the fueryIre wrote:Excellent idea for a thread, the only thing wrong is the title which really ought to be...

Cakegate


:lol: I think the problem is at least partly rooted in "Penis-Cakegate".
isolated, overblown stories of bakeries refusing to make pornographic cakes for gays have been conflated to overshadow the "gay wedding cake" issue. I think the "gay wedding cake" is a real issue and does represent discrimination.

I think the right has attempted to use"penis cake" to vanquish the wedding cakes the same way Reagan's "welfare queen" was used to clobber poverty issues and that McDonald's "hot coffee" lawsuit was used to further tort reform.
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby Samoan » 10 Aug 2017, 18:53

The Modernist wrote:
bobzilla77 wrote:
The bakers refusing to bake cakes for gay weddings are discriminating against a group of people that is protected from discrimination. There's no mistake.
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The Irish case wasn't that straightforward to be fair.

As G says.
Here's a reference -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37748681
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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby bobzilla77 » 10 Aug 2017, 19:02

I wasn't even aware of the Irish case in that article, I'm aware of a couple of cases in the US.

Sooner or later there will be alt right Nazis demanding swastika cakes from Jewish bakers. They will make a federal case out of everything.

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Re: The Great Big Gay Trump Cake Thread

Postby Davey the Fat Boy » 10 Aug 2017, 19:44

The Great Defector wrote:
Davey the Fat Boy wrote:Simplifying the cake idiocy a little more...

If a baker refuses to make a cake for a gay wedding, they are refusing because they don't like the customer. They would be perfectly within their rights to refuse a specific design that offended them...just as long as they are willing to make a cake they'd make for anyone else for that couple.

It's the same with the Trump cake. As long as they'd refuse to make one for anyone - it isn't discrimination.



I agree, but unfortunately not everyone does, nor does the government backed organizations.


I don't quite get this response. I mean, I get that most people don't understand (that's why this stupid non-debate persists). But what "government backed organizations" are we talking about here?
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