Copehead wrote:Good god man, are you really so blinded by hatred that you cannot simply look at what he wrote uninterpreted by an "eminent historian" and read it that honestly?
I don't hate Livingstone. I think he's a pathetic, deluded fool, and a nasty bigoted piece of work. But I don't hate him. I pity him.
Copehead wrote:No one in their right mind thinks Hitler politically supported Zionism, it is an indisputable fact that he found common ground with them to accomplish an aim they had in removing Jews from Europe.
That is an unpleasantly twisted way of viewing it.
Copehead wrote:How you can possibly come to the conclusion reading what he wrote that Livingstone thinks Hitler supported Zionism as a philosophy rather than one of the main aims of Zionism is beyond me.
Again, so why did he say it? And why, if he didn't mean it, didn't he clarify his words accordingly? He is not a stupid man. He must have known how offensive his words would be. So why did he not moderate them? The only logical conclusion is that he meant to use those words, for a specific reason.
Copehead wrote:You don't appear to think the man is a moron and yet you treat his argument as if that was the case in order to attack him and by doing that you think you will harm Corbyn.
I don't think he's a moron, quite the opposite. He knows exactly what he's said. I think he's a cunt. And this has fuck all to do with my view of Corbyn. Knock it off with the strawman accusation bullshit. We're talking about Ken Livingstone, not the Labour Party.
Copehead wrote:No one thinks that the Labour Party is a misogynistic band of Jew baiters, not even you.
I don't believe I ever said it was. Again, knock it off with the strawman accusation bullshit. Again thicko, we're talking about Ken Livingstone, not the Labour Party.
Copehead wrote:And no I am not suggesting that anyone who disagrees with me is shilling for the Israeli government, because enough people, it seems will do it for free linking to the people who will shill for them.
So you do think that then? You've just admitted as much, in your mealy-mouthed way. Paid for or not, you seem to view anyone who stands up for Jews in the face of the vile mudslinging of the likes of Livingstone as nothing more than propagandists and fools. Well, you're wrong. It's a common and unpleasant trope of the left nowadays to attribute to anyone disagreeing with it the lowest and worst possible motive. You exemplify this creepy and unfair trope like nobody else I've ever spoken to.
Copehead wrote:The fact that you can swallow it uncritically when it is self evidently a pile a shit that a moments thought would reveal as such is both very funny and very sad
Again, fuck off.