Livingstone being slightly offensive again.

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Livingstone being slightly offensive again.

Postby Driftwood Affirmations » 03 Aug 2017, 16:20

“One of the things that Chávez did when he came to power, he didn’t kill all the oligarchs. There was about 200 families who controlled about 80% of the wealth in Venezuela,” Livingstone told Talk Radio.

“He allowed them to live, to carry on. I suspect a lot of them are using their power and control over imports and exports to make it difficult and to undermine Maduro.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/03/ken-livingstone-venezuela-crisis-hugo-chavez-oligarchs
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Re: Livingstone being slightly offensive again.

Postby The Modernist » 03 Aug 2017, 16:31

I don't find that offensive.

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Postby Tactful Cactus » 03 Aug 2017, 16:34

He's said worse. But its the cavalier attitude to killing people as a political solution thats offensive.

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Re: Livingstone being slightly offensive again.

Postby The Modernist » 03 Aug 2017, 16:37

Tactful Cactus wrote:He's said worse. But its the cavalier attitude to killing people as a political solution thats offensive.


It's only offensive if you're looking to be offended. I found it quite a rational analysis.

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Postby Sneelock » 03 Aug 2017, 16:44

"slightly" leaves a lot of wiggle room.
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Re: Livingstone being slightly offensive again.

Postby Goat Boy » 03 Aug 2017, 16:54

Silly bugger shoulda killed em when he had the chance! Bloody amateurs!
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Re: Livingstone being slightly offensive again.

Postby Driftwood Affirmations » 03 Aug 2017, 16:55

The Modernist wrote:
Tactful Cactus wrote:He's said worse. But its the cavalier attitude to killing people as a political solution thats offensive.


It's only offensive if you're looking to be offended. I found it quite a rational analysis.

Okay, lets call it Livingstone expressing an extreme view again, then.
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Re: Livingstone being slightly offensive again.

Postby The Modernist » 03 Aug 2017, 20:11

He's not saying they should've been killed. I mean people get that, right?

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Postby The Prof » 03 Aug 2017, 21:17

As I recall, the last time he was accused of having an '"extreme view" he was just making a statement of fact.

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Re: Livingstone being slightly offensive again.

Postby Goat Boy » 03 Aug 2017, 21:28

Are you sure about that are you?
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Postby The Prof » 03 Aug 2017, 21:46

Pretty much. The Haavara Agreement of 1933. Although both sides had different reasons for wanting the relocation of Jews to Palestine they agreed on the basic aim. Livingstone said, perhaps clumsily, that the Nazis were "supporting Zionism". They supported the aim of this plan.

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Re: Livingstone being slightly offensive again.

Postby Goat Boy » 03 Aug 2017, 21:53

Based on my, admittedly limited knowledge I would take issue with his statement.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/i-come-to-praise-red-ken-not-to-bury-him/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/06/ken-livingstone-hitler-zionism-jews

Anyway, it's not what this thread is about.

Livingstone is a nauseating cunt. I'd like to say I'm surprised by some of the comments here but sadly I no longer am
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Re: Livingstone being slightly offensive again.

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The Prof wrote:Pretty much. The Haavara Agreement of 1933. Although both sides had different reasons for wanting the relocation of Jews to Palestine they agreed on the basic aim. Livingstone said, perhaps clumsily, that the Nazis were "supporting Zionism". They supported the aim of this plan.


Careful John, you're straying a bit too close to a rational viewpoint, you're meant to rant about what a cunt he is.

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The Modernist wrote:
The Prof wrote:Pretty much. The Haavara Agreement of 1933. Although both sides had different reasons for wanting the relocation of Jews to Palestine they agreed on the basic aim. Livingstone said, perhaps clumsily, that the Nazis were "supporting Zionism". They supported the aim of this plan.


Careful John, you're straying a bit too close to a rational viewpoint, you're meant to rant about what a cunt he is.


And whatever you do, don't look at it objectively.
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The Modernist wrote:
The Prof wrote:Pretty much. The Haavara Agreement of 1933. Although both sides had different reasons for wanting the relocation of Jews to Palestine they agreed on the basic aim. Livingstone said, perhaps clumsily, that the Nazis were "supporting Zionism". They supported the aim of this plan.


Careful John, you're straying a bit too close to a rational viewpoint, you're meant to rant about what a cunt he is.


I don't mind Goatboy in small doses.
He's OK but I kinda guessed what David Baddiel might have to say.
Still, it's nice to know at the end that his play is on at the playhouse till 3rd June.

As for Douglas Murray's piece, he seems to think that Livingstone was insisting Hitler was a Zionist. Livingston hasn't said this at all - so I'm not entirely sure wether to trust anything Murray says.

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Re: Livingstone being slightly offensive again.

Postby Goat Boy » 03 Aug 2017, 22:15

The Modernist wrote:
The Prof wrote:Pretty much. The Haavara Agreement of 1933. Although both sides had different reasons for wanting the relocation of Jews to Palestine they agreed on the basic aim. Livingstone said, perhaps clumsily, that the Nazis were "supporting Zionism". They supported the aim of this plan.


Careful John, you're straying a bit too close to a rational viewpoint, you're meant to rant about what a cunt he is.


Oh fuck off you patronising cunt
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Re: Livingstone being slightly offensive again.

Postby Rayge » 03 Aug 2017, 22:20

He was my MP in the 1980s in Brent. I met him a two or three times at events or when he was campaigning. I always found him amiable, and his transport policies when he was chair of the GLC were great.
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Re: Livingstone being slightly offensive again.

Postby The Modernist » 03 Aug 2017, 22:32

Goat Boy wrote:
Oh fuck off you patronising cunt


Calm down ffs.

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Re: Livingstone being slightly offensive again.

Postby Goat Boy » 03 Aug 2017, 22:38

And you could start with not being such a condescending twat or dismissing people as "far right" when they aren't just because they give an alternative view on Kens weasly statement.

I should know better by now I guess but there you go.
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