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Re: sex robots

Postby Bride Of Sea Of Tunes » 06 Jul 2017, 14:20

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Re: sex robots

Postby Quaco » 06 Jul 2017, 15:41

It's very interesting. I guess we will have to wait and see, whether they become a good thing, a bad thing, or just a thing. There's no way to know whether to restrict them at this juncture.

What I find interesting is the psychology of the person. What makes them choose one robot over another? I've always been interested in these questions of what we find attractive and where it comes from. I assume we've all had the experience of a friend pointing out someone they find attractive and you wondering what they see in them. (It could be quite a humorous scene actually if applied to dolls. 'Damn, did you see Bill's doll? Nasty looking hair, and he still doesn't know how to apply makeup!') But seriously, there's also what it does to the person in terms of creating more introversion. Fantasies and thoughts in one's head can do this, and I would imagine a relationship with an object -- with all the strangeness and shame that is there even if you're consciously OK with it -- would do it even more. Or could it actually be satisfying? The sexual urge is something like an itch that can be scratched any number of ways and you mostly feel better afterward. Is companionship the same?
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Re: sex robots

Postby fange » 06 Jul 2017, 15:52

The Great Defector wrote:There's an idea to use kid sexbots to satisfy pedos. I don't really want to google it at work on the network. It's an idea but still sits uneasy with me.

Personally, i'd say it's good that it sits uneasy with you. It does with me too. But again, the line between what is right and what is wrong with something inside someone's head, or with what they do or use to get s*xual gratification in their home, is an area that gets very murky i think. We can and should stop people using others in physically or psychologically harmful ways, but can we possibly stamp out even thinking about it? Can these technological sex objects offer more to the good of our society than initially meets the sceptical or worried mind. Like i said, it's a hell of an area.
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Re: sex robots

Postby Deebank » 06 Jul 2017, 17:46

I'm not an expert but I suspect that these things are only ever going to be good for people that like doing it with a robot... until they become indistinguishable.
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Re: sex robots

Postby The Great Defector » 06 Jul 2017, 17:55

The knock on affects to using these bots is scary as fuck.
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Re: sex robots

Postby Bride Of Sea Of Tunes » 06 Jul 2017, 18:00

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Re: sex robots

Postby algroth » 06 Jul 2017, 18:29

From a purely legal/ethical perspective, paedophilia is a concern less because it's a sexual deviation and more because the act of it involves the inclusion of a child into something that they have no understanding of - in that sense it is impossible to have a child's consent for the act and thus it qualifies as rape or abuse. The paedophile surely is a deviant, but the porn/sex industry has always catered to greater or lesser extents to other forms of perversion with relative freedom and mostly it's because, in a case such as S&M roleplay between two adults, there is consent between either side. In this sense the matter of child pornography in the shape of child-shaped dolls or, for example, cartoon pornography, is a weird thing to regulate because no real children are involved in the act - much as I do find it a queasy thing to think about, the cases where these are regulated and banned do feel as if they are punishing the individual for his fetishes more so than for a criminal act, and that does start to fall a bit into "mind police" territory. But of course there's also the "slippery slope" argument to consider (fallacious or not).

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Re: sex robots

Postby Quaco » 06 Jul 2017, 18:50

I wouldn't claim to know, but I would assume that the compulsion ultimately has less to do with "being attracted to" youths than to the power felt in dominating someone. Same with rape not being sexual as much as a power trip. Thus, would a doll ever fulfill that role for someone so inclined? In other words, the need is that it be real, fresh meat.
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Re: sex robots

Postby zoomboogity » 06 Jul 2017, 18:59

Let me know when they invent a robot that will cook meals and clean the house. And answer the phone when robocalls come in during election time.
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Re: sex robots

Postby algroth » 06 Jul 2017, 19:00

Quaco wrote:I wouldn't claim to know, but I would assume that the compulsion ultimately has less to do with "being attracted to" youths than to the power felt in dominating someone. Same with rape not being sexual as much as a power trip. Thus, would a doll ever fulfill that role for someone so inclined? In other words, the need is that it be real, fresh meat.


The power trip aspect might be at play here, but child pornography is a thing and if that can satisfy the needs of some then we can assume that they are not all looking out for "real, fresh meat" and can be content with a fantasy. I'm not an expert on the matter so I don't know, but I also wouldn't be too comfortable taking the psychological explanation that most clearly vilifies them as the correct one.

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Re: sex robots

Postby algroth » 06 Jul 2017, 19:01

zoomboogity wrote:Let me know when they invent a robot that will cook meals and clean the house. And answer the phone when robocalls come in during election time.


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Re: sex robots

Postby Still Baron » 06 Jul 2017, 19:01

Quaco wrote:I wouldn't claim to know, but I would assume that the compulsion ultimately has less to do with "being attracted to" youths than to the power felt in dominating someone. Same with rape not being sexual as much as a power trip. Thus, would a doll ever fulfill that role for someone so inclined? In other words, the need is that it be real, fresh meat.


As it happens, the (much misunderstood) pedophilia diagnosis requires a strong attraction to pre-pubescent children.
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Re: sex robots

Postby Six String » 07 Jul 2017, 05:33

Before Wire (the zine) there was Mondo which was up on all the edgy computer stuff and they had an interesting article about teledildonics. :D That was around 2000, just think what computer power could do now! I might need to look for that issue and revisit. For research purposes of course. :oops:

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Re: sex robots

Postby neville from norwich » 07 Jul 2017, 09:45

The Great Defector wrote:The knock on affects to using these bots is scary as fuck.


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Re: sex robots

Postby Jeemo » 07 Jul 2017, 16:53

algroth wrote:
Quaco wrote:I wouldn't claim to know, but I would assume that the compulsion ultimately has less to do with "being attracted to" youths than to the power felt in dominating someone. Same with rape not being sexual as much as a power trip. Thus, would a doll ever fulfill that role for someone so inclined? In other words, the need is that it be real, fresh meat.


The power trip aspect might be at play here, but child pornography is a thing and if that can satisfy the needs of some then we can assume that they are not all looking out for "real, fresh meat" and can be content with a fantasy. I'm not an expert on the matter so I don't know, but I also wouldn't be too comfortable taking the psychological explanation that most clearly vilifies them as the correct one.


child pornography isn't victimless or a harmless fantasy.
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Re: sex robots

Postby algroth » 07 Jul 2017, 17:21

Jeemo wrote:
algroth wrote:
Quaco wrote:I wouldn't claim to know, but I would assume that the compulsion ultimately has less to do with "being attracted to" youths than to the power felt in dominating someone. Same with rape not being sexual as much as a power trip. Thus, would a doll ever fulfill that role for someone so inclined? In other words, the need is that it be real, fresh meat.


The power trip aspect might be at play here, but child pornography is a thing and if that can satisfy the needs of some then we can assume that they are not all looking out for "real, fresh meat" and can be content with a fantasy. I'm not an expert on the matter so I don't know, but I also wouldn't be too comfortable taking the psychological explanation that most clearly vilifies them as the correct one.


child pornography isn't victimless or a harmless fantasy.


I never said it was - read my previous post on the matter. What I said above was that the fact that some people can fantasize on the act negates the notion of a universal and irresistible need for these to act out their desires in real life.

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Re: sex robots

Postby Jeemo » 07 Jul 2017, 18:49

algroth wrote:
Jeemo wrote:
algroth wrote:
The power trip aspect might be at play here, but child pornography is a thing and if that can satisfy the needs of some then we can assume that they are not all looking out for "real, fresh meat" and can be content with a fantasy. I'm not an expert on the matter so I don't know, but I also wouldn't be too comfortable taking the psychological explanation that most clearly vilifies them as the correct one.


child pornography isn't victimless or a harmless fantasy.


I never said it was - read my previous post on the matter. What I said above was that the fact that some people can fantasize on the act negates the notion of a universal and irresistible need for these to act out their desires in real life.


I never said that you said it was. Just making a point about abuse of children for someone else's gratification
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Re: sex robots

Postby algroth » 07 Jul 2017, 18:58

Jeemo wrote:
algroth wrote:
Jeemo wrote:
child pornography isn't victimless or a harmless fantasy.


I never said it was - read my previous post on the matter. What I said above was that the fact that some people can fantasize on the act negates the notion of a universal and irresistible need for these to act out their desires in real life.


I never said that you said it was. Just making a point about abuse of children for someone else's gratification


Ah, sorry, I misunderstood. Anyways I do agree, child pornography is itself a form of abuse to children - again, consent is key also when using someone's image for purposes of pornography and you *cannot* get consent from someone who does not understand what they're agreeing to (if they're even being given that choice).

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Re: sex robots

Postby Milarepa » 08 Jul 2017, 03:42

These robots lie uncomfortably in the uncanny valley for me. I'm all for sex toys, whatever, but how could anyone feel like anything but a pathetic loser with a toy that's supposed to look like a human?

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Re: sex robots

Postby Minnie the Minx » 08 Jul 2017, 04:53

Exclusive and only use of a toy that looks like a human probably should
Give one pause for thought. Maybe choosing that over a human is potentially problematic.
I don't think occasional use of a human looking sex toy makes you a loser, at all.
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