Grenfell Tower Fire - London

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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby OCT » 15 Jun 2017, 09:15

It's that Derbyshire woman. She's appalling.
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby nev harp » 15 Jun 2017, 09:30

I like her, kind of crowd-sourced Current Affairs. A lot depends on her guests, you know within seconds how much your gonna get from the vox pops.
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby OCT » 15 Jun 2017, 10:10

oh BUGGER OFF GASH
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby nev harp » 15 Jun 2017, 10:11

Et tu Coan?
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby The Prof » 15 Jun 2017, 10:26

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Nick wrote:A lot of people on social media indulging in political pointscoring over this, while the dead are still being counted.



Yes - some real barrel scraping stuff going on today. Very embarrassing.


I also found the tone of some of the reporting (the BBC being particularly bad) very ghoulish... "So who is in there you know?" "My cousin and his son" "How old is the son?" "12" "Twelve! Really, he's only twelve..."....... That kind of sensationalist bullshit.


I found that awful too. Shoving a microphone infront of someone who's clearly distressed and even traumatised then prodding them with questions is pretty gutterish.

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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby Nick » 15 Jun 2017, 10:31

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Diamond Dog wrote:I also found the tone of some of the reporting (the BBC being particularly bad) very ghoulish... "So who is in there you know?" "My cousin and his son" "How old is the son?" "12" "Twelve! Really, he's only twelve..."....... That kind of sensationalist bullshit.


I found that awful too. Shoving a microphone infront of someone who's clearly distressed and even traumatised then prodding them with questions is pretty gutterish.


Yes. There's no need for it, and even just a basic sense of decency should preclude it.
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby Nick » 15 Jun 2017, 10:37

On a more heartening note, the responses from both the emergency services, and the people who've pulled together all sorts of stuff in no time at all, both locals dropping everything to help, and people across the country donating money and everyday things, has been wonderful to see.

We've seen similar responses in all the recent terrorist atrocities too, and it really does make you think that actually, most people are basically kind and decent.
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby Jeemo » 15 Jun 2017, 12:33

what I don't understand, is why the news teams camp out there. there's no need, tell us the facts in a news report and go to the next item. we don't need an endless parade of people being asked questions that they can't answer. trying to create news rather than reporting it.
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby Goat Boy » 15 Jun 2017, 12:52

It's one of the reasons why I very rarely watch the news anymore.
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby fire and fueryIre » 15 Jun 2017, 14:43

Rolling news has a lot to answer for.

I remember tuning in for the news headlines on 9/11 and - like many posters here - being glued to the TV by the gobsmacking nature of what had happened and was still happening as we watched.

That said, there were no camera crews down on the street poking their lenses and mikes into people's faces back then - on that day at least. The next day, I suspect there probably were, but I wasn't watching. At the end of the day, grief is a private thing and I have no desire to see people struggling to respond to inane and insensitive questions along the lines of "how are you coping with the death of your husband/son/daughter/colleague?". How the fuck does the interviewer think the person is feeling?

First time I heard about the Grenfell tragedy was on here. Despite having tuned into the news headllnes for updates after getting home last night, I can't really bear to watch the interviews or indeed the video of the fire itself - the buildings look far too similar to the high-rises we used to live in in Hong Kong.
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby Deebank » 15 Jun 2017, 14:48

Jeemo wrote:what I don't understand, is why the news teams camp out there. there's no need, tell us the facts in a news report and go to the next item. we don't need an endless parade of people being asked questions that they can't answer. trying to create news rather than reporting it.


Yes, the same goes for terrorist attacks. Sure let us know when there's something new to report, but blanket coverage for days is really just ramping up the publicity for the terrorists.
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby Your Friendly Neighbourhood Postman » 15 Jun 2017, 14:53

Jeemo wrote:what I don't understand, is why the news teams camp out there. there's no need, tell us the facts in a news report and go to the next item. we don't need an endless parade of people being asked questions that they can't answer. trying to create news rather than reporting it.


Yes.

Neoliberal news production.

It generates high viewing rates; thus: money.
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby Geezee » 16 Jun 2017, 08:35

Hard to process. My god.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40294616

The first victim of the fire at Grenfell Tower in London has been named by a charity as a Syrian refugee.
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby Your Friendly Neighbourhood Postman » 16 Jun 2017, 09:20

Geezee wrote:Hard to process. My god.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40294616

The first victim of the fire at Grenfell Tower in London has been named by a charity as a Syrian refugee.


Terrible.

This is relevant too:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40285994
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby Deebank » 16 Jun 2017, 09:25

On the sublect of making political capital, I note that the Daily Mail has "Were green targets to blame for fire?" on its cover.

To which the answer is of course no of course they fucking weren't!
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby Nick » 16 Jun 2017, 09:38

Lily Allen speaking her brains about this on Channel 4 news last night. Why does anyone give that pillock airtime?
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby Nick » 16 Jun 2017, 10:43

Bride Of Sea Of Tunes wrote:This is relevant too:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40285994


Arbitrarily requisitioning properties would contravene Article 1 of the First Protocol of the European Convention on Human Rights: Protection of Property.

And it's against the law in the UK.
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby Belle Lettre » 16 Jun 2017, 11:19

The leader of RKBC council has said that various residents indicated, during the refurbishment, that they didn't want sprinklers fitted as it would cause more disruption. I should have thought that would have been overruled if it was a question of improving safety.
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Re: Grenfell Tower Fire - London

Postby Diamond Dog » 16 Jun 2017, 11:23

Belle Lettre wrote:The leader of RKBC council has said that various residents indicated, during the refurbishment, that they didn't want sprinklers fitted as it would cause more disruption. I should have thought that would have been overruled if it was a question of improving safety.


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